Crazy Cat Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 @Bert I have to leave it at 1492 because I have no choice, I can't go over 1500 (except that the system doesn't even allow it with pppoe to go over 1492) but that doesn't mean it is correct, not for everyone. With pppoe connections the ppp and pppoe header increases the frame size by 8 bytes. 1492+8+18=1518 Said quickly and without going into too much detail, I think you'd follow me if you answered me like that. By now I've come to do calculations and considerations that you have no idea about trying to solve this problem. Another thing that came to my mind is to turn off the timestamp that add 12 bytes to the tcp headers (so it takes up useful space) but I can't find it in the settings. I guess they are used for logs by the ntp server, but I tried to disable all the entries but it's still there and the ntp server can't shut down. PS: I changed translators, google seemed really bad. Can you give me some feedback on how this looks compared to the one before please? Thank you PPS: @Netduma Fraser is it possible to somehow deactivate timestamps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Yeah but your router should take that into account. So there is no issue with setting your MTU to 1492. Even if you did set it to 1500, most providers and websites have MTU autodiscovery. So the connection will run at 1492 anyway. I can set my PS4 to 1500 but it would not make a difference. I think DumaOS get's it's maximum MTU value from the auto setup, I can't change it above 1492 either but I'm pretty sure I could before. Might be a new feature since .56 firmware. My router shipped with .40 firmware and I am pretty sure I have used 1500 as well, before we had the bug 2 weeks ago with DumaOS beeing unavailable. It's not something you need to worry about. The translator is not perfect but I can understand what comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 @GHOST-1-EC @East I ask you to help me with my reasoning because, as you will have understood, I am no longer with my head behind this problem. I managed to run wireshark, having no other router behind (xr700 is connected directly to the fiber cable) I had to create a proxy server to read the ps4 traffic. Attached the results that showed the ip of the proxy created but I think it's normal to see that port and not port 3074, confirm? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobel Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Can somebody help me out with how to run Wireshark to check which ports I am connecting to. Cable (coax) Modem > XR700 > PS4 Pro. I have a Windows 10 laptop to use for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3CR0 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 What kinda losers pay £60 to sit in the corner of their spawn the WHOLE match!??? This is why I don't play TDM. See much more of this there than other gametypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 4, 2020 Administrators Share Posted January 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Daniele said: PPS: @Netduma Fraser is it possible to somehow deactivate timestamps? No that's not possible as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffney Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 hours ago, Daniele said: @Bert I have to leave it at 1492 because I have no choice, I can't go over 1500 (except that the system doesn't even allow it with pppoe to go over 1492) but that doesn't mean it is correct, not for everyone. With pppoe connections the ppp and pppoe header increases the frame size by 8 bytes. 1492+8+18=1518 Said quickly and without going into too much detail, I think you'd follow me if you answered me like that. By now I've come to do calculations and considerations that you have no idea about trying to solve this problem. Another thing that came to my mind is to turn off the timestamp that add 12 bytes to the tcp headers (so it takes up useful space) but I can't find it in the settings. I guess they are used for logs by the ntp server, but I tried to disable all the entries but it's still there and the ntp server can't shut down. PS: I changed translators, google seemed really bad. Can you give me some feedback on how this looks compared to the one before please? Thank you PPS: @Netduma Fraser is it possible to somehow deactivate timestamps? My setup is computer > XR500 > Fritzbox 7530(modem). Do you have a similar setup, if so have you set MTU to 1492 on your end device and on your netduma router? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gaffney said: My setup is computer > XR500 > Fritzbox 7530(modem). Do you have a similar setup, if so have you set MTU to 1492 on your end device and on your netduma router? I don't have modems, just routers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaffney Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 30 minutes ago, Daniele said: I don't have modems, just routers. A modem is a device that decodes the signal from your ISP, (via your local DSLAM), you likely have a router that also contains a modem. It's basically just a translator between the internal and external network. I'm not sure if you can help out Fraser and confirm if I may suffer from fragmentation. The MTU on my computer is set to 1492, the MTU on my XR500 is set to 1492. The router is connected to my modem which is connected using PPPOE (my modem doesn't allow me to manually set the MTU, however it believe it should be 1492). Do I need to be cautious of lowering my MTU on my computer or XR500 to prevent fragmentation with my modem. Or is everything okie dokie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gaffney said: A modem is a device that decodes the signal from your ISP, (via your local DSLAM), you likely have a router that also contains a modem. It's basically just a translator between the internal and external network. I'm not sure if you can help out Fraser and confirm if I may suffer from fragmentation. The MTU on my computer is set to 1492, the MTU on my XR500 is set to 1492. The router is connected to my modem which is connected using PPPOE (my modem doesn't allow me to manually set the MTU, however it believe it should be 1492). Do I need to be cautious of lowering my MTU on my computer or XR500 to prevent fragmentation with my modem. Or is everything okie dokie? @Gaffney @Netduma Fraser Thank you for speaking up, but I'm not experimenting on the wan interface mtu or the console mtu. Maybe I explained it wrong, or the translator doesn't help me or you didn't follow the whole conversation. I gave my technical opinion that netgear should allow you to increase the mtu above 1500 and not block at 1492 for pppoe connections.@Gaffney that I know xr700 is just a router and not a modem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 4, 2020 Administrators Share Posted January 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, Daniele said: @Gaffney @Netduma Fraser Thank you for speaking up, but I'm not experimenting on the wan interface mtu or the console mtu. Maybe I explained it wrong, or the translator doesn't help me or you didn't follow the whole conversation. I gave my technical opinion that netgear should allow you to increase the mtu above 1500 and not block at 1492 for pppoe connections.@Gaffney that I know xr700 is just a router and not a modem. For standard ethernet which consumers would all use the maximum MTU is 1500 so no need for this. If you're not using standard ethernet then you'd likely be using specicialised hardware anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST-1-EC Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Slow playin the Bizon is the vibe for sure.... eazy reads and eazy kills Enjoy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 CALL OF DUTY MODERN WARFARE: PACKET BURST PROBLEM Unfortunately, restoring the bandwidth in the qos flower did not work. I also tried to prioritize up and down 10mbps but that didn't work either so I went back to my usual settings. All of this I tried with both mtu 1500 and 1492 (ps4) in the wan interface no touched. Then around the forum I read the post of someone who recommended to lower the anti-bufferbloat scroll lines a little bit (even if then turn it off) to make room for some packages that could get lost but this for me led to see strange things in the game (people who cared without the stimulant in their hands and opponents who ran standing still in the same position) so I went back to 100% and turn it off, but I think these are strictly personal settings. Failing to capture the ps4 traffic with wireshark, the last thing I tried was the second suggested set of rules and it went really well. For 5 games I didn't have any packet explosions (never happened since the game was released) but then they slowly reappeared, but not as before. Neither as number nor as importance of lag (lag yes but smaller). So after all the attempts made in these 3 months (and they were really many) I can say with 99% certainty that the key to solve this problem lies in finding the perfect set for traffic priority and here you need help from netduma with cloud updates by studying the case. It's not their fault what clearly happens, but the game that doesn't work well for those with strong connections. Even on reddit those who have this problem are people with very fast connections. We are lucky to use this router and so we can study, try and experiment with traffic priority and all the settings that this OS makes available to us, others probably will never solve it since activision does nothing. In conclusion if you can't or don't know or don't want to do a data traffic acquisition with wireshark I suggest you to try this set of rules and see what works best for you (I haven't tried to use both of them) you can try if you want but in my opinion it's not a good idea, but I could be wrong. The following rules are to be created in the traffic priority by deleting the already existing ones and deactivating the option games classified dumaos. Instead of XXXX you have to write your udp port that changes according to the device you are playing with, those detected so far are 3074 (for ps4 and pc) and 3075 (for xbox) First set of rules (consisting of 2 rules) Source XXXX : XXXX Destination 30000 : 45000 Protocol UDP Source 30000 : 45000 Destination XXXX : XXXX Protocol UDP Second set of rules (consisting of 2 rules) Source XXXX : XXXX Destination 45000 : 65000 Protocol UDP Source 45000 : 65000 Destination XXXX : XXXX Protocol UDP I would like to specify that this result is not the result of my work, I just did a lot of tests collecting as much information as possible from the work of others. These rules are approximate and the fact remains that the best ones will be those created by you by analyzing your traffic. A thank you for all this goes to @East @GHOST-1-EC @kinel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysister Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, GHOST-1-EC said: Slow playin the Bizon is the vibe for sure.... eazy reads and eazy kills Enjoy!!! So many questionable deaths... But you don't seem to care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST-1-EC Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, Crysister said: So many questionable deaths... But you don't seem to care... I had 59 kills 18deaths.......if i die i die...... even the pro players die the same way i do.......there is like 3-4 players that i always go up against in the Shoot House and Quick Play playlists that i straight up struggle to kill even when they are in clear sight and i shoot first.... they will still get the drop on me......... i have to pre-fire to get a kill to counter the delayed frame rate on my end. I cant be bothered about it as i know some of them live literally next to the server location and with their fibre connections they shud be having the exact upper hand over most players, me included. Apart from those players...... i dominate almost every lobby i play in and i do that with different weapons all the time as i'm doing the camo grind for the last Subs and AR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlingshotGamer Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, GHOST-1-EC said: I had 59 kills 18deaths.......if i die i die...... even the pro players die the same way i do.......there is like 3-4 players that i always go up against in the Shoot House and Quick Play playlists that i straight up struggle to kill even when they are in clear sight and i shoot first.... they will still get the drop on me......... i have to pre-fire to get a kill to counter the delayed frame rate on my end. I cant be bothered about it as i know some of them live literally next to the server location and with their fibre connections they shud be having the exact upper hand over most players, me included. Apart from those players...... i dominate almost every lobby i play in and i do that with different weapons all the time as i'm doing the camo grind for the last Subs and AR's. Gameplay was lekker! Hit markers on point. Yip out lobbies are very sweaty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST-1-EC Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, SlingshotGamer said: Gameplay was lekker! Hit markers on point. Yip out lobbies are very sweaty Its like playing a CWL match every other lobby, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Cat Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Upnp sees only port 9308 udp and wireshark does not record ps4 traffic. What could it be? Can someone please help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugotstretched Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 14 hours ago, GHOST-1-EC said: I had 59 kills 18deaths.......if i die i die...... even the pro players die the same way i do.......there is like 3-4 players that i always go up against in the Shoot House and Quick Play playlists that i straight up struggle to kill even when they are in clear sight and i shoot first.... they will still get the drop on me......... i have to pre-fire to get a kill to counter the delayed frame rate on my end. I cant be bothered about it as i know some of them live literally next to the server location and with their fibre connections they shud be having the exact upper hand over most players, me included. Apart from those players...... i dominate almost every lobby i play in and i do that with different weapons all the time as i'm doing the camo grind for the last Subs and AR's. If you live on top of a server with a fibre connection you are at a super disadvantage, now if you live on top a server with an average connection ping etc you will dominate. This games netcode does not play well for low ping players. Unless that lobby is filled will low ping players also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST-1-EC Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, ugotstretched said: If you live on top of a server with a fibre connection you are at a super disadvantage, now if you live on top a server with an average connection ping etc you will dominate. This games netcode does not play well for low ping players. Unless that lobby is filled will low ping players also Bud i honestly dont know what to tell u as to why you are struggling........ but i know a few of the guys i was referring to and they dont struggle..... given that they have a high skill level as well but when we play 10's or the weekly online local tournaments you definitely dont gun them whether on your host or theirs. Now when i look at Formal as an example...... he also has a Netgear Pro Gaming Router (Not sure exactly which one specifically) and only plays in lobbies <25ms and he has zero issues........ in fact he does things that should never be possible in any game...... same goes for Illey, Scump, Dashy and a bunch of other players who have low ping fibre connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Tbh I would think Formal plays from the Huntsmen teamhouse like Scump does. I would expect them to have enterprise grade gear over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST-1-EC Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Bert said: Tbh I would think Formal plays from the Huntsmen teamhouse like Scump does. I would expect them to have enterprise grade gear over there. Formal plays from his own house in California and Scump from his house in Dallas, Texas. Their Org is based in Chicago but none of them have moved there. The only player that moved was Dylan (Envoy) he is playing from the Hecz quarters which is also Dallas. Either which way, all of them have low ping fibre connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOST-1-EC Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 I'm watchin Formal on twitch right now. After Dr Disrespect he has the most entertaining streams to watch for me. Nadeshot as well when he streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crysister Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Another thing is, if you play alone with random mute guys vs groups of friends, low or high ping, you'll struggle hard anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugotstretched Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 hours ago, GHOST-1-EC said: Bud i honestly dont know what to tell u as to why you are struggling........ but i know a few of the guys i was referring to and they dont struggle..... given that they have a high skill level as well but when we play 10's or the weekly online local tournaments you definitely dont gun them whether on your host or theirs. Now when i look at Formal as an example...... he also has a Netgear Pro Gaming Router (Not sure exactly which one specifically) and only plays in lobbies <25ms and he has zero issues........ in fact he does things that should never be possible in any game...... same goes for Illey, Scump, Dashy and a bunch of other players who have low ping fibre connections. Nobody struggles in this noob bum friendly game. Not sure where me and the word struggle go together. Im stating a fact as to me living on top of a server and pulling pings in the teens whenever i want. Whether im on the shit side or the good side of the lag compensation will determine my play style. Im over 2kd and close to 2 in win percentage and thats while being placed in the sweatiest lobbies. As far as formal and many of these other players go, its simple if you watch a video stream and feel players are doing things you just cant, than its 1 or 2 things. 1. Your not that good or 2. They are hindering or altering their lobbies games in some way. You ever watch speros? Swag? When you watch them do you believe what you see? If thats the case ill show you a box of chocolates and tell you its gold and you might go with it. You seem like a good player, so im not knocking you, im stating that i play on super low ping servers with other competitive players and surely enough when the gm is playing bad its low ping when good higher ping. Where you have to take the route to make your connection better with traffic prioritization others like myself need to slow ourselves down anything that makes us any faster hurts us. Not sure what kind of network some of you have, but it sounds like what i had back in 2005. Heres some screenshots of the pings i get and some random games. I can post 10 videos a day in here a day showing off, it doesnt mean the gm is playing correctly. In one of the pics it says moderate nat, i usually am open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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