Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, Newfie said: Can you supply a feet measurement or metric for the coverage to help those looking at the WiFi spec. Large house could mean anything so a measurement would be better, very much like NG supply. I'll try and get a more clear cut answer for you. 28 minutes ago, Od1n said: Thanks for the response, thats awesome to hear. My last question would be about the on-router VPN. Is the new R2 CPU strong enough to provide VPN speeds of above 100mbits? The CPU of the R1 only allows VPN speeds of up to 3-5mbits since the R1 CPU cannot keep up with the calculations. In short, what speeds can we expect when using the R2 onboard VPN option? Alex covered this earlier in the topic, don't have any specifics at the moment: Quote The R2 can handle much faster WAN connections than the R1 could, the processor is better so that bottleneck is lifted. I don't have any hard numbers on Hybrid-VPN performance but in my personal testing I've found that it feels very responsive. It largely depends on your VPN provider and chosen server location, of course. Newfie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrophiXx Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said: Yes, it's much better this time around! Are there any estimates about how much bandwith it is capable of with QoS features enabled? With QoS on my R1 barely reaches 100MBit. If i can expect it to reach around 400-500 MBit with QoS features on, it's totally worth the upgrade. I really don't wanna bash on the Hardware or Company but with increasing bandwith speeds and the upcoming next gen consoles the Router should be able to download a game in a reasonable time and not be a bad bottleneck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 38 minutes ago, CrophiXx said: Are there any estimates about how much bandwith it is capable of with QoS features enabled? With QoS on my R1 barely reaches 100MBit. If i can expect it to reach around 400-500 MBit with QoS features on, it's totally worth the upgrade. I really don't wanna bash on the Hardware or Company but with increasing bandwith speeds and the upcoming next gen consoles the Router should be able to download a game in a reasonable time and not be a bad bottleneck. I'll try and get some estimates and get back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakkel Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 €20 shipping? I never had to pay €20 to ship any Netduma products to the Netherlands! Why is shipping not free for a €170+ product, not buying it if I have to pay €20 for mere shipping I am sorry. Kralj3gs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fakkel said: €20 shipping? I never had to pay €20 to ship any Netduma products to the Netherlands! Why is shipping not free for a €170+ product, not buying it if I have to pay €20 for mere shipping I am sorry. We've never given free shipping on the R1 and the same with the R2. That's perfectly understandable, perhaps we can get some cheaper shipping alternatives after launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Od1n said: Thanks for the response, thats awesome to hear. My last question would be about the on-router VPN. Is the new R2 CPU strong enough to provide VPN speeds of above 100mbits? The CPU of the R1 only allows VPN speeds of up to 3-5mbits since the R1 CPU cannot keep up with the calculations. In short, what speeds can we expect when using the R2 onboard VPN option? I've got some more information for you. It still does run about the same speed - this is the same on the XR routers as well. However, we have an idea we are looking into on how we can massively improve this. Once it is ready we'll provide an update for free via the Rapp store. 1 hour ago, CrophiXx said: Are there any estimates about how much bandwith it is capable of with QoS features enabled? With QoS on my R1 barely reaches 100MBit. If i can expect it to reach around 400-500 MBit with QoS features on, it's totally worth the upgrade. I really don't wanna bash on the Hardware or Company but with increasing bandwith speeds and the upcoming next gen consoles the Router should be able to download a game in a reasonable time and not be a bad bottleneck. With QoS on it can reach 300-400mbps currently but we're looking into optimizing this further to improve the max throughput. With QoS off it can reach near gigabit speeds. fuzzy clam and Od1n 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakkel Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 There is a hugeeee difference between free shipping and €20 I can't find a single other company that charges €20 when it the product has to ship to a neighbour country.... I dont live on another continent! Od1n 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fakkel said: There is a hugeeee difference between free shipping and €20 I can't find a single other company that charges €20 when it the product has to ship to a neighbour country.... I dont live on another continent! It's always been that price for us for DHL Express 1 working day delivery. We do usually have Royal Mail as an option as well which is cheaper but takes a bit longer. Due to COVID we didn't want to risk it as they can be unreliable but will bring it back after everything has settled down. We will be seeking cheaper alternatives as well in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakkel Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I think it is crazy, almost 10% of the price of the product itself. I understand your decision making because of the Covid but together with the €20 shipping cost the product still cost €200.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, fakkel said: I think it is crazy, almost 10% of the price of the product itself. I understand your decision making because of the Covid but together with the €20 shipping cost the product still cost €200.... Thank you for the feedback, as I said we're looking for cheaper alternatives so if you would prefer to wait we'll have some cheaper options in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 While I understand anyone having issues with the shipping costs, I'm personally fine with it. DHL is great and I've gotten orders from Andy at Ultimarc in the UK to my house in the US in two days. You pay for quality. Codester, fuzzy clam, Netduma Fraser and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 hours ago, CrophiXx said: Are there any estimates about how much bandwith it is capable of with QoS features enabled? With QoS on my R1 barely reaches 100MBit. If i can expect it to reach around 400-500 MBit with QoS features on, it's totally worth the upgrade. I really don't wanna bash on the Hardware or Company but with increasing bandwith speeds and the upcoming next gen consoles the Router should be able to download a game in a reasonable time and not be a bad bottleneck. I don't really understand this as I am able to get a good 300+ mbit out of the R1 with QoS enabled. The newer DumaOS versions are a bit more CPU intensive, on original FW I could get 400+ mbit. Unless you're running PPPoE mode or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 As for the shipping price. You get a discount on the pre-order so if you wait until later when there is cheaper options you're still paying more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: I've got some more information for you. It still does run about the same speed - this is the same on the XR routers as well. However, we have an idea we are looking into on how we can massively improve this. Once it is ready we'll provide an update for free via the Rapp store. With QoS on it can reach 300-400mbps currently but we're looking into optimizing this further to improve the max throughput. With QoS off it can reach near gigabit speeds. Hi, I just have a question regarding QoS on the Netduma R2, I have around 900mbps download and around 50mbps upload although this can sometimes vary and drop to around 25mbps. As a result the main thing I would want more control over is the upload as I’m not worried about maxing out the download. I was wondering is it possible to use QOS only on the upload and would this then improve the max achievable download speed or does it have to be enabled on both restricting to around the 300-400mbps you mentioned ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Ross said: Hi, I just have a question regarding QoS on the Netduma R2, I have around 900mbps download and around 50mbps upload although this can sometimes vary and drop to around 25mbps. As a result the main thing I would want more control over is the upload as I’m not worried about maxing out the download. I was wondering is it possible to use QOS only on the upload and would this then improve the max achievable download speed or does it have to be enabled on both restricting to around the 300-400mbps you mentioned ? Thanks Hey, welcome to the forum! That's a good question and it is the latter at the moment, I will however suggest that to the team as that is quite a good workaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Hey, welcome to the forum! That's a good question and it is the latter at the moment, I will however suggest that to the team as that is quite a good workaround. Thanks for clarifying. It would be a great feature if it could help increase max download speed. While I am definitely no expert in theory I would think having QoS only enabled on upload would reduce the processing load on the router which may help increase max potential download. Still very tempted to pre order as a lot of the Duma OS features look great, I’ve never come across a router that offers so many gaming focused features. I can always turn off QoS when I’m looking to achieve greater download speeds as well I suppose. Netduma Fraser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boldshoter30 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I've been signed up for a while for the DUMAOS 3.0 beta for the R1 and XR500 haven't received any email for three weeks now and I have been with netduma before DUMAOS on the old software for the R1 back in 2014 2015 ordered the R2 just so I can have the DUMAOS 3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 25, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2020 48 minutes ago, Ross said: Thanks for clarifying. It would be a great feature if it could help increase max download speed. While I am definitely no expert in theory I would think having QoS only enabled on upload would reduce the processing load on the router which may help increase max potential download. Still very tempted to pre order as a lot of the Duma OS features look great, I’ve never come across a router that offers so many gaming focused features. I can always turn off QoS when I’m looking to achieve greater download speeds as well I suppose. That's certainly plausible, I've passed it on to the team! Glad to hear you like what we're offering. It's definitely our biggest update to date and will pave the way for more features to be added much more easily. 32 minutes ago, Boldshoter30 said: I've been signed up for a while for the DUMAOS 3.0 beta for the R1 and XR500 haven't received any email for three weeks now and I have been with netduma before DUMAOS on the old software for the R1 back in 2014 2015 ordered the R2 just so I can have the DUMAOS 3.0 Invites are still being sent out so always the chance you'll get it before the R2 ships but thank you for the support, we really appreciate you sticking with us for this long! Boldshoter30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boldshoter30 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: That's certainly plausible, I've passed it on to the team! Glad to hear you like what we're offering. It's definitely our biggest update to date and will pave the way for more features to be added much more easily. Invites are still being sent out so always the chance you'll get it before the R2 ships but thank you for the support, we really appreciate you sticking with us for this long! you're welcome Fraser Netduma Fraser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex.devine Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 @Netduma Alex @Netduma Fraser Can the R2 be used with normal Broadband? I do not have Fibre. I would like to know before i order the R2. XR500 getting sold, Netgear seem slow and I want OS3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 26, 2020 Administrators Share Posted July 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, alex.devine said: @Netduma Alex @Netduma Fraser Can the R2 be used with normal Broadband? I do not have Fibre. I would like to know before i order the R2. XR500 getting sold, Netgear seem slow and I want OS3 Yes absolutely, it can be used with any ISP/connection type as long as you have an existing modem/router to connect it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mohands Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I have placed the order . I will sell my XR500 as I want to get faster updates. Zippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Killhippie Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, mohands said: I have placed the order . I will sell my XR500 as I want to get faster updates. I would keep the XR500 as its more powerful. It really depends I guess on how many devices you have. Maybe compare both and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameswoo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 9:19 PM, Bert said: You don't even need the XR500 in your case tbh. I have exactly the same setup, 1 PC and 1 PS4 and wifi turned off. R1 runs this fine altough if you want QoS the bandwidth will become a issue and PPPoE support is an issue. I'm running the R1 now instead of the XR500 and really it performs practically no different in game. The only thing is I need to use my ISP router as well, while I generally run PPPoE on the XR500. thanks for your reply. I want faster updates so I just ordered the R2 too 🙈 Zippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex.devine Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 19 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: Yes absolutely, it can be used with any ISP/connection type as long as you have an existing modem/router to connect it to. Thank you @Netduma Fraser I will go ahead and order Netduma Fraser and Zippy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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