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ok i have been doing some testing on my netduma router and also my iqrouter over the past month and i have some a quick fix if you are not able to connect to dedicated servers in the usa and im sure it will also work for other regions also. I noticed on the netduma using duma os that if my default address is 192.168.88.1 i get connected to the uk server and none of the dedis in the us pop up But when i switched to my iqrouter i always got connected to dedis/peer in the use i know cod ping graph my not be accurate but i would get 25ms and the duma would give me 143ms. so I Change the default gateway to 192.168._._  which was what my isp router would give me before i got the duma and the iqrouter. What i would do is find what your isp router give you as an ip defaut gateway and change it to that on the duma this has worked for me i no long see the uk server that everyone says is a verification server or whatever they call it. give this a try hope this helps

 

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go to network setting on the duma then choose network change the routers ip address you dont do it on the console and tip which i already mentions is using your orginial ip routers default gateway address. should work perfectly dont do this on the console or your internet will fail. also on duma os your router will not have to restart if you change it but when every you want to access the netduma you would have to put the changes ip in the browser 192.168.88.1 will no longer take you to the netduma routers page.

 

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I think probably what this is was your ISP not playing well when a new router has been introduced so may have been fooled that you're not using an old router anymore so ping returned to normal

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i dont think that's it ive had the duma for almost 2 years and i ive tried different thing and setting ive never had an issue with games until b04 but over this past month ive change routers testing them and noticed the only difference between the routers were the manufactures and the default gateways i personally dont use the isp router modem combo and i hadnt for the past 4 years i till have it though because i purchased it to avoid a renting fee every month but i use a tp link modem and the duma i only made the post because i know for a fact that this has made a huge difference with the duma using 1982.168.88.1 i dont not get no servers in the us even with pa at 50 and filter with 2000km no they dont even show up the minute i change it i get only games in the us and low ping i have posted on the forum previously and was told the server was an authentication server and that no the actual server but the duma was saying it was the host with 100ms plus and the cod in game radar oh and the lag itself was validation. im getting a 17ms dedi thats in the incorrect location now that i have my routers address changed and the cod network meter is showing a similar low ping a few ms off but it validates that this is the cause.

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Interesting stuff, thanks for the breakdown. Just to clarify what you're saying, where are you located? Are you in the US? It seems really weird that changing your default gateway would make any difference - personally without the proper lab testing setup I'd say this is a placebo effect. It's far more likely (logically speaking) for Black Ops 4 to have changed in some way while you were testing (or you just got unlucky with the server you connected to), resulting in your belief that changing the default gateway made a difference. A different default gateway causing a difference in ping doesn't seem possible from a networking perspective.

It's an interesting theory though. If you wanted to test and prove this properly, you wouldn't be able to rely on the in-game ping graph since it's highly inaccurate. It's kinda' hard to prove it without any ping readings though. Do you feel like your gameplay is any different when you do it? Better or worse?

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5 hours ago, Netduma Jack said:

Interesting stuff, thanks for the breakdown. Just to clarify what you're saying, where are you located? Are you in the US? It seems really weird that changing your default gateway would make any difference - personally without the proper lab testing setup I'd say this is a placebo effect. It's far more likely (logically speaking) for Black Ops 4 to have changed in some way while you were testing (or you just got unlucky with the server you connected to), resulting in your belief that changing the default gateway made a difference. A different default gateway causing a difference in ping doesn't seem possible from a networking perspective.

It's an interesting theory though. If you wanted to test and prove this properly, you wouldn't be able to rely on the in-game ping graph since it's highly inaccurate. It's kinda' hard to prove it without any ping readings though. Do you feel like your gameplay is any different when you do it? Better or worse?

Yes sir im in the us Louisiana.  i've basically have been change routers to see which would give me the best game play and just comparing them in general but the duma was on dumos was horrible it was showing that 143ms ping game in us i couldn't even see servers in the us i also couldn't get into a game unless it was the server. So i switched to the iqrouter and i notice the game play got noticeably better but there was no consistency i might have a good hit registration one game the next 10 horrible. I initially thought that i was being put on another server the games where the bullet registrations was horrible so i would just check the in game network stats and compare the from game to game and i noticed  the ping would be consistent but the game play wasn't. So would i then did was compare my in game pings between the two routers and on the duma i was receiving 100ms to 140ms on the iqrouter it was 25ms to my 50ms. (note: on the duma the ping was also corresponding with cods in game stats just a few ms off). from the i looked at my network setting on both router and compared them side by side threw pictures and everything was similar only main difference was the addresses. it also hit me the before i had the duma and iqrouter my isp modem router combo would have an address different from both the duma and the iqrouter and also instead of using 192.168._._ as and default gateway and dns my isp supplied modem router combo would us 192.168._._ as a default gateway and the dns would be 208.180._._.  and that's what made me try changing the address.Just to put a little more info out there i have tried almost every possible fix you can try manual port forwarding, throttling connection,dmz, playing on wifi (lol) although i play wired, buying new lan cables, new montior, etc nothing made a difference.The Iqrouter was 192.168.7.1 and their company is based out of Seattle i believe becuase the cod network showed that for the location and when i hook up the duma it show my correct city it could be wrong because sometime it show my city as fort polk the military base that is 5 mins away but close enough. But i put the iqrouter's address in to the duma and played awhile like that and i was finally able to see us servers because before the servers wouldn't even show on the map but the ping would be 50 ms sometimes thirty and it was never a dedi so may on the iqrouter alone i wasnt playing on dedis seeing that i wasnt able to find one using that address while on the duma. the minute i switch the address the difference was night and day i was to dedis one north east and one on the west coast in call both 17ms to 22ms the gun fights were amazing some won some loss but i wasnt being killed by a lagging bullet sponge. also threw testing i kept my filter setting the same with the different addresses using the default address i couldn't get in a game until i turned the filter of and it would show a uk server and on in the ocean. with the iqrouter's address i got games in the us that were peer to peer but with ping assist the pings were decent. But the change to my isp address have made all the difference. I do plan to change my dns to the isp also but right now im enjoy the game too much im not ready just yet.But i will sometime this weekend dont know if it will make a difference but default gateway has really made a HUGE Difference. 

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It's quite interesting to me that when you change the router DHCP address, you will get a different experience. You mentioned the iqrouter having it's Lan Anddress being one thing, your home router and Duma being another. Seems like to me that much of the information that being different from each of the routers is also the mac address being used, with the possibility a change in the actual dynamic address that is sent from the IP to the modem then to the router. Reason I say this is because, ISP know the name and model of the router just based of the mac address that is input into their database. So as you was cycling through the various routers(of course mac associated with them), you was given a IP for that device. I find it quite interesting just changing the LAN address the router connects, would be a significant change in what is happening here. I would say this would be quite the rarity that I heard about such a case, but as you mentioned about the actual location showcasing false information i.e. fort polk. Just my hypothesis, but if the change in router address and DNS is helping, that's great news to know you're experiencing fun gaming.

 

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Hey @Flamenation247 you're saying to take the default gateway listed on your ISP modem GUI and put it in here right?

 

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I always found it weird that my modem shows what appears to be a public IP as the default gateway, yet whenever you set up a router or another device (ie a PS4) the default is just the first IP in the DHCP range set on your router (like 192.168.88.1). 

 

Changing the R1 IP doesn't cause any kind of conflict with your modem does it? I get the awful feeling that if I was to try this, I would lose connection through the R1 LOL 

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5 hours ago, lllRL said:

Hey @Flamenation247 you're saying to take the default gateway listed on your ISP modem GUI and put it in here right?

I always found it weird that my modem shows what appears to be a public IP as the default gateway, yet whenever you set up a router or another device (ie a PS4) the default is just the first IP in the DHCP range set on your router (like 192.168.88.1). 

Changing the R1 IP doesn't cause any kind of conflict with your modem does it? I get the awful feeling that if I was to try this, I would lose connection through the R1 LOL 

That was my understanding or the IP of the modem itself. 

That's because there's nothing above the modem and so the public IP is it's gateway IP. All your devices cannot share that one public IP address so local addresses are made for the devices. I would expect that changing the R1 LAN IP to the LAN IP of the modem would definitely cause a conflict so perhaps this would require a bit more explanation on Flame's part on what exactly it was that he did

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1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said:

That was my understanding or the IP of the modem itself. 

That's because there's nothing above the modem and so the public IP is it's gateway IP. All your devices cannot share that one public IP address so local addresses are made for the devices. I would expect that changing the R1 LAN IP to the LAN IP of the modem would definitely cause a conflict so perhaps this would require a bit more explanation on Flame's part on what exactly it was that he did

Yeah hopefully he'll pop back to clarify that step. This is really interesting. I rule out nothing these days after seeing some really weird, totally illogical goings on lol

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On 11/19/2018 at 10:13 PM, Flamenation247 said:

The Iqrouter was 192.168.7.1 and their company is based out of Seattle i believe becuase the cod network showed that for the location and when i hook up the duma it show my correct city it could be wrong because sometime it show my city as fort polk the military base that is 5 mins away but close enough.

Something else I wanted to add relates to this. In Treyarch games where they show your location in game, people have often reported connections would be crappy if their location was off (and I've personally seen this be about 300 miles off at times), but if they changed something in their setup and it changed to acknowledge their real location, things would improve. I find it strange that if I look up my IP online it says I'm in Surrey, and Black Ops games think I'm in Reading in Berkshire, yet I'm in Hampshire lol.

 

I've read claims that adjusting the geofilter home location affects this (and believe me, I've pinpoint perfected my home location on the geofilter on initial setup as I used to be paranoid about this if using distance instead of ping assist), but none of it changes my being in "Reading". In BO3 and I think AW, I used to find the game thought I was in little villages I'd never even heard of between here and London too. 

 

I wonder if the location it picks up is due to the hops your traffic passes through. Going off on a slight tangent, I've also heard the number of hops will affect your experience too. I know of a Dutch Netduma user in Amsterdam who gets 9ms to Amsterdam on pings but a trace route shows just 4 hops total, including his modem, router and the destination. I have 12 hops using a modem in modem mode, or 13 hops if I throw my ISP modem/router combo in behind my R1. Now obviously the end hop is key but is it plausible to expect that while ICMP pings are low (lower even to the end hop than some in the middle), UDP traffic is getting bogged down here with all these steps? I've honestly considered trying a VPN in order to see if I can cut down on that, but I don't really want to have to spend money if it doesn't work, and I'm not sure how it all works anyway... 

 

Sorry, so many thoughts rolling around in my head over all this. I miss the days of being a plug n play noob with a TV and a terrible setup 😄

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Wow, WTF. I changed my R1 IP to the HG612 default gateway and now browserleaks shows my correct location?? I've moved 30 miles apparently LOL. @Flamenation247 you, sir, are a wizard 😂

 

For some reason when I first changed the R1 IP and it rebooted, the WiFi didn't come back on, so I couldn't connect to its GUI to see what was going on. I just had to pull the power cable and reboot it and, and now I'm online like before. I really thought using the modem default gateway would cause me to lose connection through the R1! 

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15 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said:

That's really odd, what is your game experience like since you've done this? So you used the LAN IP of the HG612 and changed the R1 LAN IP to that correct?

I already mentioned it on the other thread but I'll post here for the benefit of everyone coming here. It's just a simple case of taking whatever you type into your browser to sign into your modem or ISP combo GUI (ie 192.168.1.254 for a BT Hub, 192.168.1.1 for a TP Link or Huawei modem etc) and changing it here where it normally says 192.168.88.1:

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After changing this I found https://browserleaks.com/ip now showed my hometown as my location, whereas before it said I was in other neighbouring counties up to 50 miles away. I haven't been on BO4 yet as I was installing my games on to a new drive for my PS4 yesterday, but that in game location was incorrect too so I'll check that later. 

 

As for in game experience, it started out well playing on local servers (34ms ping assist, strict mode on, home in ocean, 70% QoS when high prio traffic detected, classified games preset enabled) including on 14ms to Paris and Amsterdam, and 7ms to London, but the fifth game was awful and that was also on 7ms. I played six or seven more and it was all the same - desync nonsense, delayed hitmarkers and a lot of cases where I got none at all on centre mass, getting killed inconceivably fast, with other controls (specialists, reloading, weapon swapping) delayed too. I just shrugged and got off lol

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1 hour ago, lllRL said:

I already mentioned it on the other thread but I'll post here for the benefit of everyone coming here. It's just a simple case of taking whatever you type into your browser to sign into your modem or ISP combo GUI (ie 192.168.1.254 for a BT Hub, 192.168.1.1 for a TP Link or Huawei modem etc) and changing it here where it normally says 192.168.88.1:

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After changing this I found https://browserleaks.com/ip now showed my hometown as my location, whereas before it said I was in other neighbouring counties up to 50 miles away. I haven't been on BO4 yet as I was installing my games on to a new drive for my PS4 yesterday, but that in game location was incorrect too so I'll check that later. 

 

As for in game experience, it started out well playing on local servers (34ms ping assist, strict mode on, home in ocean, 70% QoS when high prio traffic detected, classified games preset enabled) including on 14ms to Paris and Amsterdam, and 7ms to London, but the fifth game was awful and that was also on 7ms. I played six or seven more and it was all the same - desync nonsense, delayed hitmarkers and a lot of cases where I got none at all on centre mass, getting killed inconceivably fast, with other controls (specialists, reloading, weapon swapping) delayed too. I just shrugged and got off lol

It would not let me use mine it came up with an error RPC error 'ERROR_VALIDATION': LAN network must differ from WAN.

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18 minutes ago, xstupidxmonkeyx said:

It would not let me use mine it came up with an error RPC error 'ERROR_VALIDATION': LAN network must differ from WAN.

That's pretty weird. Your R1 WAN IP is a local IP? You must be using an ISP combo behind your R1 then? 

 

Maybe this method only works with a standalone modem setup then 😬 maybe @Flamenation247 knows of a workaround when using a combo/router behind the R1. If you run a modem (or combo in bridge/modem only mode) you get a public WAN IP on the R1 so there wouldn't be a clash.

 

Check your combo settings. Does it have a bridge or modem mode setting? 

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1 hour ago, xstupidxmonkeyx said:

it does have bridge mode but I cant take it out of combo mode or whatever it is called because others in my house use it. R1 does not have enough wired connections so only I use it with my comp

Your R1 won't be doing its job then. If you have your games played through the R1 and then family members are on YouTube or streaming TV, for example, congestion control/QoS isn't going to work and you'll still get lag between the modem and router. 

 

How many devices do you have that need wiring? A bunch of PCs and consoles? Surely they're not all in use at the same time? 

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15 hours ago, MassaDebata85 said:

i take it back just connect me to qhat shows to be a peer on the westcoast i am on the east. but im also in spectating mode and i think its mislocated cause my ping is the same

That will have been a mislocated server. We're working on a Cloud update which will make a big difference to this

5 hours ago, xstupidxmonkeyx said:

It would not let me use mine it came up with an error RPC error 'ERROR_VALIDATION': LAN network must differ from WAN.

Keep your LAN IP as 192.168.88.x and you'll avoid this problem

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7 hours ago, Netduma Admin said:

That will have been a mislocated server. We're working on a Cloud update which will make a big difference to this

Keep your LAN IP as 192.168.88.x and you'll avoid this problem

so there are 2 dedis on the east coast that look like there right next to eachother.but i only ever see the 1 wich i beleive is new jersey.the one that looks like its on the west coast gives me the same ping and connects me to it more often?so probbaly the other one just mislocated ..

i barely use the geo so i keep it in spectating mode but i notice when im not on either of those servers is the only time i have bad games..i cant wait until the xr500 gets ping assist

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