7GTV Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 So seems duma doesn't do well with speeds 500+ and above for those with gig service. Even on the best settings to much lack of Frames with IW with duma. Acts like there is crazy lag as if the duma is garbage. But, I know it's not. Same settings with BO3 bit better but still behind in frames. I heard about Throttle the software.... any thoughts about this? I also here there might be a update that will work with fiber speeds with duma. If not it's better to play without duma with fiber vs with it.. .crazy to say that but it's the truth right now. THROTTLE? what is that and your thoughts? how do you throttle? Just looking for ideas to make my higher speeds work with duma since i have optic fiber speeds.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 THROTTLE? what is that and your thoughts? how do you throttle? Honestly, I wouldn't advise it at all, it's very dangerous. Whilst it might be fun for a few minutes, you could well end up like David Carradine. And nobody wants to get found naked in a wardrobe like that. It's just embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipknot31286sic6 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Throttle is for pussies. Jus adjust to buffer bloat. Put on energy gun. Ez. Type 2. Wrecks. If u have to throttle. You are garbage to begin with. End of story. No excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A7Legit Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Unless its COD:IW where netcode optimisation is secondary to gun variants, throttle & ruin the game, it's a terrible development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yam Yam Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 So seems duma doesn't do well with speeds 500+ and above for those with gig service. Even on the best settings to much lack of Frames with IW with duma. Acts like there is crazy lag as if the duma is garbage. But, I know it's not. Same settings with BO3 bit better but still behind in frames. Just looking for ideas to make my higher speeds work with duma since i have optic fiber speeds.. I don't agree with those comments but saying this in a friendly reply; all the problems which happened during the Infinite Warfare Beta was no fault of the Netduma. Firstly, it was a beta... there's no way on Earth to predict how good/bad the beta was going to be except for Activision/IW (or whoever else is involved) made their decisions and very poorly underestimated. The beta was terrible and was felt by everyone who took part including millions without the Netduma R1, nobody could get into a match, it was aired all over the internet. Secondly, I played the first Friday up until you couldn't join anything, which was after 2 matches (they were spot on). When the 'update' loaded across the main menu later on, I probably played only 3 more matches & I was lucky as I waited 40 mins once, after that it was the same again so I gave up and never played again all weekend. I had nothing enabled in the Duma settings so that was took out of the equation. Lastly, having a Gig down/up connection speed doesn't guarentee you any better experience over another person on 40/10 as gaming doesn't need that much bandwidth. You were more than likely facing players with lag comp because their connection was crap, I heard people on 2-bar connections were bullet sponges and seemed to be amongst the top scorers. When I joined a bad lobby you could tell straight away, always half-to-one second behind on every 1 on 1 shootout no matter how accurate. Its the game as a whole, not the R1 buddy. Maybe after release & optimisation it will be better but as with most CoD's, don't bank on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG__DOG Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Honestly, I wouldn't advise it at all, it's very dangerous. Whilst it might be fun for a few minutes, you could well end up like David Carradine. And nobody wants to get found naked in a wardrobe like that. It's just embarrassing. roflpmlslmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Jack Posted October 18, 2016 Netduma Staff Share Posted October 18, 2016 If you're lagging / dropping frames in COD or any other game, it's not your speeds at fault unless you're doing something really extreme. Even downloading a bunch of things shouldn't affect your gameplay - especially if you're using congestion control and share excess. Your ping will be the culprit; I'd recommend using these settings: - Reactive Algorithm - 70% anti-flood - Share excess enabled - Reset device prioritisation & apply - Disable IPv6 in WAN, LAN & misc - Disable deep packet in misc - Enable turbo mode - Ensure the ethernet cables you're using connecting the R1 to hub & R1 to PC are Cat5e+/can handle your speeds. - Do a wired speed test from a PC Let us know the results on your game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b00stg0d Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I disagree totally but sounds like the masses have spoken. I'm not quite sure how throttling ruins the game that you all complain is shit from one day to the next. There is no proof that simply adjusting you ps4 speeds from max connection to say 296kbps up is going to have an I'll effect in anyone's game. Please explain how a game that uses under 100Mbps for upload of udp packets is hindered in anyway by someone throttling. I think you guys have throttling mixed up with lag switching. I always allocate a set amount of bandwidth for my game and I sometimes play with upstream as low as 296kbps and I go 3-15kd 95% of games. Saying things like the duma is garbage or a player that throttles is garbage is you personal opinion and will incite very erratic response from people who are just trying to make THEIR gameplay better for THEM. You can trash me all you want for throttling but I bet if you play me I make you rage again lol. When you find your sweet spot for throttling it does its job. Simply eliminates the bouncing of your bandwidth in a large range to a smaller range and smooths my gameplay to zero lost frames, zero lost ping and the game plays. So under your mindset, when a network engineer uses QoS to throttle a set amount generally 100kbps per call for SIP calls they are using ineffective techniques.... right.... I'll stick with what I know and you keep complaining about your router. The only time I have issues it's me, the cloud, or activision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b00stg0d Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I'm at a meeting and can't edit that to say 100kbps instead of 100Mbps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipknot31286sic6 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Agree to each their own. Guess that's the point of router. It's whatever works for you. Whatever you gotta do to keep playing call of duty. Is what everything comes down to. Perks are doing better than everyone lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_smooch Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 If you're lagging / dropping frames in COD or any other game, it's not your speeds at fault unless you're doing something really extreme. Even downloading a bunch of things shouldn't affect your gameplay - especially if you're using congestion control and share excess. Your ping will be the culprit; I'd recommend using these settings: - Reactive Algorithm - 70% anti-flood - Share excess enabled - Reset device prioritisation & apply - Disable IPv6 in WAN, LAN & misc - Disable deep packet in misc - Enable turbo mode - Ensure the ethernet cables you're using connecting the R1 to hub & R1 to PC are Cat5e+/can handle your speeds. - Do a wired speed test from a PC Let us know the results on your game. Clearly the best info and response given here, i suggest you pay most attention here 7GTV. The others are mostly for humorous purposes only lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_smooch Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Agree to each their own. Guess that's the point of router. It's whatever works for you. Whatever you gotta do to keep playing call of duty. Is what everything comes down to. Perks are doing better than everyone lol. You hit the nail on the head man, that's exactly what the router is about! There are a few fundamental things you have to stick to to get current max speeds but mostly its about figuring out what settings work best for you! At the end of the day even people with the same isp can receive very different quality of service on their line based on location and whatnot! So what might work for one may not for another. Thats the plus about being in a large active community for such a device as the duma though, because there maybe someone who has very similar speeds and ping times or whatnot that can give you a few hints on what they did to improve and that gives you somewhere to start! But when you find that sweetspot it really does make all the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG__DOG Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 everyones connection is different to the next persons, isp, speeds, distance from servers, distance from the cabinet or junction box in your street, type of cables, wifi or ethernet, time of day......the list is endless and that is why nobody can give you the perfect answer...... 70/70 does not work for me, but 98/98 or 86/86 does dependant on time of day and internet traffic.........the netduma works and it works well wether you use cc as most do or use it to throttle your connection to avoid lag comp is your own personal preference. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b00stg0d Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Just to be clear I don't use the netduma to throttle. I use a different router for network control the netduma ONLY handles my gaming and geo-filter duties. And I don;t consider allocating a specific amount of bandwidth far above what is utilized for the game as negative. I just have more control over individual devices than most. No different if you have 1.5Mbps down and 256kbps up DSL in the sticks. I have customers that game with this amount. I feel I shouldn't be penalized by someone else's design threshold to make an even playing field for others with lower bandwidth so I present my console with the bandwidth I desire. Just as your ISP does you. I am far from trying to argue... Just don;t appreciate people making comments that are so harsh towards someone elses decision to use something they FEEL didn't work for THEM. I don;t call you an idiot because you answer 99% of questions wrong now do I? I'm speaking specifically to slipknot. And if you sucked dick on the weekend with Sir smooch would it be my place to call you a fag? NO. So to each his own is making broader statements as to NOT offend others with our stupidity. I guess I'm done with this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Please gentlemen keep it cordial. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. We're all gamers here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_smooch Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 Just to be clear I don't use the netduma to throttle. I use a different router for network control the netduma ONLY handles my gaming and geo-filter duties. And I don;t consider allocating a specific amount of bandwidth far above what is utilized for the game as negative. I just have more control over individual devices than most. No different if you have 1.5Mbps down and 256kbps up DSL in the sticks. I have customers that game with this amount. I feel I shouldn't be penalized by someone else's design threshold to make an even playing field for others with lower bandwidth so I present my console with the bandwidth I desire. Just as your ISP does you. I am far from trying to argue... Just don;t appreciate people making comments that are so harsh towards someone elses decision to use something they FEEL didn't work for THEM. I don;t call you an idiot because you answer 99% of questions wrong now do I? I'm speaking specifically to slipknot. And if you sucked dick on the weekend with Sir smooch would it be my place to call you a fag? NO. So to each his own is making broader statements as to NOT offend others with our stupidity. I guess I'm done with this forum. Dude, no need to be rude or personal. If your gonna explain something then fine, if your gonna help then help! No need to be offensive surely, i am purely defending the product which i believe improves my experience and supporting the peeps trying to help and support other peeps! Not to cause arguments or upset people, so chill, no need to leave the forum, just be nice okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 There is sooooo much miss information on this forum and not just from one person but many members. Everyone can have an opinion. Gaming = ping not the width of the band it travels in, the rest of the bandwidth is idle, all the games I have tested this theory with gave me the same results. Ping travels at the same speed no matter what width the band is unless you throttle until you introduce packet loss. You never have the same sample twice as variable skew the results of throttling, you move a slider get an easier noob lobby then think it was the slider, or your having a good day vs your a little tired. Ive been fired upon for this view before, but that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A7Legit Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I respect that opinion, yet I agree but also disagree with it, whilst it's not textbook to manipulate your speeds to alter ping measurements, it does indeed affect COD, it shouldn't affect your measured latency but it does manipulate COD, it also harms the lobby and you if you throttle for long enough. Try it for yourself, you can forge a 3, 2 or even 1 bar whilst only being 30ms RTT from the host/dedi, this has more to do with Call of Duty and more importantly IW:Beta than how latency and packet delay variation affect us. I don't throttle for COD, well I have for IW:Beta but I mean for any retail COD, 97% sliders work best for me and I stick to that winning formula, but throttling does affect the game, although I never said it's positive, at least not for others or the one throttling (after x amount of minutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I have tried it myself, I have also use network tools to increase my ping just for test purposes, played identical, their ping compensation on blops 3 is great on the whole. By increasing my jitter it made it unplayable. My 6mb adsl connection plays the same as my 55mb fibre connection , you would call that throttling of a sort. As long as there is enough BW for the ping to travel without packet loss it plays the same on all games I have tested. I do not have IW as I am on Xbox. I can only draw my opinion from what I have seen thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I'll be a little careful here, for a change, because people get very worked up by the throttling debate. I tested throttling for a whole week of solo play on BO3. I tested the 'magic number' (or magic numbers) given by various YouTubers, all the way down until it started to cause packet loss (and then was unplayable). Occasionally whilst heavily throttling I would have a great game but that's not proof on it's own obviously - the following game (or within a few) it would no longer appear to be effective. As Zennon said, the variables are such that no two games can EVER be the same and virtually any little difference can change the outcome of a game. Even if the lobby members remained the same (they rarely do), on the same teams (even more unlikely), and all lobby members connections remained exactly as they were in the previous game (near enough impossible), it is still literally impossible for the match to be played the same way it was before (people take different routes, do different things, timings, etc). If there were a specific bandwidth threshold that would negate 'lag compensation' it would ALWAYS work and it would work for EVERYBODY. The fact that it doesn't always work and doesn't work for everybody is proof that it doesn't actually work at all. If you throttle and see an 'improvement' it is nothing more than a placebo. Obviously reducing your Congestion Control sliders to stop local congestion spikes does work but that's not the kind of throttling that is being argued over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Jack Posted October 19, 2016 Netduma Staff Share Posted October 19, 2016 Great post ColonicBoom, I wish more people would read it. Most throttling / lag compensation debates end in arguments with neither party realising it's just a very strong placebo effect; just like lagging players being branded "cheaters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b00stg0d Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I respect that opinion, yet I agree but also disagree with it, whilst it's not textbook to manipulate your speeds to alter ping measurements, it does indeed affect COD, it shouldn't affect your measured latency but it does manipulate COD, it also harms the lobby and you if you throttle for long enough. Try it for yourself, you can forge a 3, 2 or even 1 bar whilst only being 30ms RTT from the host/dedi, this has more to do with Call of Duty and more importantly IW:Beta than how latency and packet delay variation affect us. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Technically, everyone here is manipulating/throttling your speeds with the Netduma sliders and selecting the reactive or preemptive algorithm. So all this high and mighty, we shouldn't do this and shouldn't do that, goes out the window. I have been throttling my games since Counter-Strike Beta and have never seen a network latency or "bar" change if it's happening then you are not doing it correctly and the netduma is poor at best at this technique by the way it throttles every device ont he entire network. Get a router that has device specific bandwidth control and it's a different story. Every network will be different. Where 296kbps up may work for me in bo3 in AW I play at 164kbps up. I'm not trying to argue at all just seriously since 1999 I have never seen an ill effect with throttling, but I refer to it as allocation so... If I have done something to give me a 3 bar with a 30ms ping then rest assured I made a mistake in my config I agree about the misinformation. I also agree peeps read others posts and think they are agreeing with them and cannot comprehend what is being stated. Same folks that believe you need 100Mbps to win games and have a low ping, same peeps that say throttling doesn't work for them yet live within what 20 miles of a dedi? Either way this is my last post on this. I am tired of defending something the rest of you condemn without proof other than that one week at band camp. Bottom line is I know what works for me and I and my squad consistently WIN 99% of all games we play on pubs and I am always on top of the leader board, I play even better alone cause I don;t have to share kills with the other good players on my team. I have no good games or bad games with my use of proper bandwidth allocation and prioritization. Call it what it is. All of these things are features in the netduma and achieve the desired results IF you know how to use them and the game will only use more than a few hundred kbps when downloading maps etc. If a person is 'throttling' to a point where they are skipping around the map and '3 barring' then that would be lag switching period. Will that effect a game.... in a big way. But limiting my to a range that's perfectly legal and considered within spec of the game is my choice and not cheating or effecting the host/server or other clients. So if I move into and area that my upload is limited to 128kbps am I throttling? It works for me and that doesn't make me garbage or my game garbage is my entire point. Nor do I agree that the duma is garbage. State of the art QoS, no... more user friendly for mainstream YES! geofilter= best feature ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b00stg0d Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Great post ColonicBoom, I wish more people would read it. Most throttling / lag compensation debates end in arguments with neither party realising it's just a very strong placebo effect; just like lagging players being branded "cheaters". Thats a pretty long run for a placebo. I throttle every thing I play and play on since 1999, PC, PS3, PS4, XBOX360 and XBOX ONE. Statements backed by what? Cause someone told you? Or a week long test. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FQs19 Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I disagree totally but sounds like the masses have spoken. I'm not quite sure how throttling ruins the game that you all complain is shit from one day to the next. There is no proof that simply adjusting you ps4 speeds from max connection to say 296kbps up is going to have an I'll effect in anyone's game. Please explain how a game that uses under 100Mbps for upload of udp packets is hindered in anyway by someone throttling. I think you guys have throttling mixed up with lag switching. I always allocate a set amount of bandwidth for my game and I sometimes play with upstream as low as 296kbps and I go 3-15kd 95% of games. Saying things like the duma is garbage or a player that throttles is garbage is you personal opinion and will incite very erratic response from people who are just trying to make THEIR gameplay better for THEM. You can trash me all you want for throttling but I bet if you play me I make you rage again lol. When you find your sweet spot for throttling it does its job. Simply eliminates the bouncing of your bandwidth in a large range to a smaller range and smooths my gameplay to zero lost frames, zero lost ping and the game plays. So under your mindset, when a network engineer uses QoS to throttle a set amount generally 100kbps per call for SIP calls they are using ineffective techniques.... right.... I'll stick with what I know and you keep complaining about your router. The only time I have issues it's me, the cloud, or activision. Throttling will lead to dropping frames, so you appear to others as teleporting. Which is why you shouldn't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A7Legit Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 B00st, I play all online MP titles with 97% sliders, compared to many on 70% I hardly consider that I throttle, my comments aren't even understood, I've acknowledged throttling, what it does, who & what it affects. Finally I can also say that if I want to manipulate IW:Beta, I can, but these weren't via throttling. Just 97% sliders https://imgur.com/a/Q25NB Not the best scores, but this is hardly an optimised game, at least yet (best case) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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