major masingil Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Here's one for the Duma Army. As selectors of NetDuma, it's obvious we take gaming somewhat seriously. I'd like to get thoughts regarding the use of auto aim. I refuse to use it ever, on any game. It takes the fun out of it for me. However, it is an option so I guess it's fair. In any average public match, do you believe most are using aim assist? Do you think it belongs in a game where you are playing against live competitors where scoring is usually based at least partially on kills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolling_Farm Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Here's one for the Duma Army. As selectors of NetDuma, it's obvious we take gaming somewhat seriously. I'd like to get thoughts regarding the use of auto aim. I refuse to use it ever, on any game. It takes the fun out of it for me. However, it is an option so I guess it's fair. In any average public match, do you believe most are using aim assist? Do you think it belongs in a game where you are playing against live competitors where scoring is usually based at least partially on kills? When I first read this post I thought you were talking about cheating but then as I read on its not When I play an FPS I always turn off "aim assist" when I play online. I feel I get more advantage with out my gun pulling my cross hair. But in single player i tend to leave it on depending on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Od1n Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 95% of all console pad players wouldnt hit anything if there wasnt aim assist, its a needed feature to grant them accuracy and make the game enjoyable for them even in games where you can deactivate aim assist you only turn off a certain element of it while other parts stay active, its not like you play with 0 assistance when turning it off mostly stuff like target-slow-down or bullet-magnetism still stays active to support you actually there are only 2 shooters currently that have 0 aim assist by default, and both are on the old gen all other shooters do have aim assist in one or the other way is it unfair? not really since everyone can use it do i think it belongs into a competitive mode? well imo if we truly speak about competitive gametypes then yes id prefer to have it off for all players by default to increase the skillgap, though i dont see that happening since as i said like 95% of all players wouldnt hit anything anymore if you want to experience what 100% no aim assist feels like then start a custom game of Halo, have a friend in the same team and try to betray each other the game doesnt add any aim assist on teammates as well as no bullet magnetism or slow-down when moving over the friendly target, its quite a challenge to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psygn Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I keep it on, but I can do well without it, too. I've played for about a week without it and my weekly kd dropped only very slightly. AW's already challenging enough for me with SBMM and maintaining 3kd (seriously, you see the same players ALL the time in this bracket). I know that 99% of players leave it on so I do, too. As for competitive, I do feel they should turn off aim-assist. People will bitch about it at first, but it makes the game take more skill. I mean, if there are people in the real world that can shoot clay pigeons like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jpv0yZC3iMM#t=83there's no reason to believe that people can't play without aim assist at a competitive level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I keep it on, but I can do well without it, too. I've played for about a week without it and my weekly kd dropped only very slightly. AW's already challenging enough for me with SBMM and maintaining 3kd (seriously, you see the same players ALL the time in this bracket). I know that 99% of players leave it on so I do, too. As for competitive, I do feel they should turn off aim-assist. People will bitch about it at first, but it makes the game take more skill. I mean, if there are people in the real world that can shoot clay pigeons like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jpv0yZC3iMM#t=83there's no reason to believe that people can't play without aim assist at a competitive level. Do you have a youtube channel ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 13, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 13, 2015 Never been a fan of aim-assist, If I get a kill I want it to be because I was skilful enough to get it, not that the game helped aim for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I don't like being pulled off target because another enemy is in close proximity of my first target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procreate Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 i havent seen the ability to turn it off in many CoD releases, i cant remember the last one you could turn it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 You can't in multi only campaign,in recent COD's anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procreate Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ah, i havent played a campaign since BO1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major masingil Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 I thought if it was off in campaign it's off in multiplayer? That's not the case? There's no aim assist at all in titanfall. I think it makes things even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JConnor Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 You can't escape at least some form of aim assist on consoles. That's just the nature of using inaccurate analog sticks vs. a precision mouse on PC. It's because analog sticks don't allow for fine adjustments versus a mouse. So, if you can get your cross hair over the target, depending on the game, that's all you have to do. It makes sense because if you've ever tried to play the few games on console where you can turn it off it's much harder to hit anything for a sustained period of time without aim assist, bullet magnet, etc. The reason 3arch took out the auto-aim on sniper rifles in BO3 is because the entire Quick Scope mechanic depends on the auto aim locking onto a target even before the scope is fully pulled up. Hence, quick scoping is really "aim assist scoping" if we're being 100% accurate. SHG's solution to QS was to leave auto-aim in, but make the scopes have so much sway and randomized zoom that it supposedly nullified the auto-aim, essentially. The problem is they made normal sniping all but impossible. Very few people snipe in AW because they finally killed QS, but at the expense of the entire sniper class as a whole. You can't snipe in AW even in normal mode because of how penalized you are for simply pulling up the scope (slow, randomized). It's one reason why AW is not as popular as other CoDs; The normal sniper and QS players have nothing to keep them coming back, right or wrong. AW is a SMG / AR spray-and-pray game for pre-teens because sniping takes actual skill, no matter how you do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 because sniping takes actual skill, no matter how you do it. Sniping takes actual skill. Using a bolt gun, running around a map with a Ninja hood on, an instant melt pistol on Quik-Swap,and some shock charges ISN'T SNIPING. I have played without the Auto Assist on, to try and improve my aim and my "centering" and it exposed a huge issue in how bad I really was... LOL If the game has Auto Aim, I use it. If they get rid of it, I will learn to play without it like everyone else. But with the amount of stupid bullshit that can end a good run, or knock you off your streak, I'll just consider the Auto Aim feature as an attempt to even the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major masingil Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm just a stubborn bastage. I could probably have a lot better k/d if I used auto aim, but I won't. If you come up against me in a game use one eye as you get those cross hairs lined up. Give me a fighting chance. Hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm just a stubborn bastage. I could probably have a lot better k/d if I used auto aim, but I won't. If you come up against me in a game use one eye as you get those cross hairs lined up. Give me a fighting chance. Hahaha LOL - I respect that you play that way. I have enough of a disadvantage already with my old man reflexes. LOL You are the opposite of half the kids I find online who's gamer cards seem to ALWAYS look like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moofda Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 All FPS console games have it, even if you turn it off in COD it's still there, just not as strong. (In the games that allowed you to do it in MP anyway) I think in BF competitive mode it's reduced by 50 percent, but still present. If there was truly no aim assist at all on console, it would be a noob fest. Also the skill gap would end up being astronomical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trolling_Farm Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 This thread really took off All FPS console games have it, even if you turn it off in COD it's still there, just not as strong. (In the games that allowed you to do it in MP anyway) I think in BF competitive mode it's reduced by 50 percent, but still present. If there was truly no aim assist at all on console, it would be a noob fest. Also the skill gap would end up being astronomical. This is 100% correct and I hated it. I am a big fan of nazi zombies and even with aim assist off I could still feel the pull because so many zombies were around me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manucod Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 just play cs go lol =) no problems with aim assist there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major masingil Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm an old timer too Dillinger. Keep on taking it to those whipper snappers! All the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JConnor Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Sniping takes actual skill. Using a bolt gun, running around a map with a Ninja hood on, an instant melt pistol on Quik-Swap,and some shock charges ISN'T SNIPING. Yes, but the real fault lies within the netcode and nature of online gaming. Meaning, the person who sends the "kill" command to the server first, gets the kill. So, why would I, for example, send multiple packets of info a.k.a. virtual bullets from a SMG with the increased chance some of them don't count due to being dropped along the way... When I could instead send one "kill" command e.g. One virtual bullet with enough mathematical damage behind it to kill somebody in one shot. That's why snipers / OHK weapons are always preferred in competitive FPS. Look at CSGO. The most used weapon is the AWP, a sniper rifle, for this very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akic Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I hate aim-assist but I do use it as the advantage other players have over you when it's off is immense, I'm talking consoles here. I'd prefer if they took it out completely then there would actually be some skill in getting a kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I'd prefer if they took it out completely then there would actually be some skill in getting a kill. I would love to play a good game that didn't have it and see what the audience response would be. My guess is that it would be all us elder folks playing it while the kids avoided it like the plague...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infernomachine Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 It would be the end of all your youtube pubstompers. Don't get me wrong they all have much better accuracy than I but they rely more on auto aim than you may think. They have mastered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akic Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I would love to play a good game that didn't have it and see what the audience response would be. My guess is that it would be all us elder folks playing it while the kids avoided it like the plague...LOL Your not wrong there mate. Sales would plummet as the n00bs and crap players wouldn't be able to get a kill, the kids love things easy these days BTW when do you become a mod? Haven't been on for a while so must have missed the announcement. Congrats and good choice DUMA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Thanks Akic. A couple of us from the US mainland got bumped up to help fight nighttime spam and watch over the place while the Net Duma peeps catch some shut eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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