iExCLuSiVe Posted May 22, 2016 Share Posted May 22, 2016 maybe i should try to go to using a monitor. I always wanted to try it but didnt have the money. I dont wanna do further testing cause im kinda getting sick of it but i will definitely try going to a monitor. Thanks for the help guys One thing that seemed to help me but only when I played solo was moving my home location to west coast from east. Or using cod ultimate profile, which always located me in the middle of the ocean. But even that doesn't work all the time. Good luck my man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 ok. i just ordered the monitor today with a 1ms response time. Ill let you guys know how things go on monday when it comes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfour71 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Monzo I have the same issues. I am using a monitor and it doesnt matter. The netduma is suppose help with lag,but after this last update lag is getting worse. my ping was in the hundreds. Why? who knows. What I don't understand is how does someone gets in on my game when my range is set at 561 miles and on strict when there 2000 miles away????? I don't think mine is working correctly. I do believe lag comp has a negative effect on the netduma no matter what the experts thing. I've tried everything even switched isp. lag comp sucks. I can do ping test all day long it doesn't matter. I have a good connection untill i get in a game. I wish they could pigback and see for themselves what's going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BENORMOUS Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Monzo I have the same issues. I am using a monitor and it doesnt matter. The netduma is suppose help with lag,but after this last update lag is getting worse. my ping was in the hundreds. Why? who knows. What I don't understand is how does someone gets in on my game when my range is set at 561 miles and on strict when there 2000 miles away????? I don't think mine is working correctly. I do believe lag comp has a negative effect on the netduma no matter what the experts thing. I've tried everything even switched isp. lag comp sucks. I can do ping test all day long it doesn't matter. I have a good connection untill i get in a game. I wish they could pigback and see for themselves what's going on. You can set the Geo filter at a 100 mile radius and even if you found a game at 50 mile it still won't stop someone from half way across the world joining that lobby,as long as the host is within the Geo filter then duma is doing it's job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 ok. i just ordered the monitor today with a 1ms response time. Ill let you guys know how things go on monday when it comes Response time not to be confused with input lag time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1. What I don't understand is how does someone gets in on my game when my range is set at 561 miles and on strict when there 2000 miles away????? I don't think mine is working correctly. 2. I have a good connection untill i get in a game. 3. Lag comp sucks. 4. I do believe lag comp has a negative effect on the netduma no matter what the experts think. 1. A misunderstanding of what the Netduma does. 2. If you have a good connection until you get into a game then you either don't have a good connection at all (but think you do - I was exactly the same) or something is set up wrong. 3. A misunderstanding of what 'lag comp' actually is. 4. That doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfour71 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Colonic boom what settings should we use. Don't refer me to the original settings been there done that. Something has changed on the netduma. With all the new settings. Options don't work like they use to. Explain what the netduma is supposed to do without sarcastic remarks. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Colonic boom what settings should we use. Don't refer me to the original settings been there done that. Something has changed on the netduma. With all the new settings. Options don't work like they use to. Explain what the netduma is supposed to do without sarcastic remarks. Thanks Everyone's settings will be different because everyone's connection is different, different locations, different ISPs, different setups, different usage on each specific network (ISP) by region, different usage on an individual's home network, etc. If you want a response tailored to your specific setup you can create a thread and detail your setup + settings, etc, then I and others will be happy to advise. Also, I've only ever had .06 firmware so I can't comment on whether anything seems or feels or is different. That wasn't sarcasm at all. I'll clarify the misunderstandings though. 1. The Netduma doesn't stop people getting into 'Your' lobby, rather it stops you from getting into a lobby that is outside of the specific parameters (distance, ping) that you set in the Geo Filter. 2. Nothing to clarify here really. I honestly thought I had a good solid connection and I couldn't understand why I suffered so many BS deaths in game until I looked into it further. I tested the sh*t out of every step of my setup and after I had checked everything off the list I only had my ISP line to test. It was obvious very quickly that my ISP line provides a disgusting connection for gaming. I have an engineer arriving on Friday (hopefully) to install a new line from a different ISP. 3. 'Lag Comp' doesn't suck. I think you're mistaking actual 'lag' for 'lag compensation', as a lot of people do. I can't be bothered to explain lag compensation but we need it - without it nobody would hit anybody else (not without guessing where people are and aiming at empty space etc). People with rock-solid connections tell me that it actually works very well but when playing in the same lobby with them I get wrecked by one-shot deaths and bullets round corners. If you suffer from jitter and ping spikes (like I do) then you will very likely be getting shafted by it, repeatedly, roughly and without lube. 4. The statement didn't make sense. 'Lag Comp' has no effect on the Netduma at all, the Netduma is completely impartial. I do fully appreciate your frustration trying to play BO3 though, for me it is horrible a lot of the time (all kinds of WTF) but I know that it's because of the connection that I have from my ISP. Most people that have problems with lag have an unstable connection for gaming but they don't/won't/can't work it out or possibly admit it to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Colonic boom what settings should we use. Don't refer me to the original settings been there done that. Something has changed on the netduma. With all the new settings. Options don't work like they use to. Explain what the netduma is supposed to do without sarcastic remarks. Thanks I can agree to an extent. It feels like too much was done, and not enough was tested. Some things feel "broken", and I can see that happening with the problems I have... Now on the other hand, you think the netduma can block people from joining your game because you have your filter setup. That's not how it works, no matter what. Unless YOU are the host but in most games today they are using dedicated servers so you can't control who connects to what server. At the end of the day remember this is just a router and it's job is to stop you from connecting to high ping games, or stop other people in your house from clogging up your pipe and making your ping rise. It does it... It can't fix a broken game, and BO3 is just that. In fact every COD since after MW2 has been broken. On purpose, because randomness rewards bad players and hurts good players... There are more bad players than good players, therefore there is more $$$$ to be made in helping the bad players. AKA participation trophies for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 every COD since after MW2 has been broken. On purpose, because randomness rewards bad players and hurts good players... There are more bad players than good players, therefore there is more $$$$ to be made in helping the bad players. AKA participation trophies for everyone. ahh, the good old days. I don't remember any problems at all with CoD4/MW2, although I'm sure there were problems. I used to have great internet back then too. I think that another mid-Europe batch of dedi could make all the difference with BO3 but that's not likely to happen. Pretty fed up with the 'participation' rewards, deathstreaks, people with zero kills 'earning' a specialist weapon, etc. Someone said a while back about how CoD had gotten 'harder' since the old days, I'd say the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted May 31, 2016 Administrators Share Posted May 31, 2016 Monzo I have the same issues. I am using a monitor and it doesnt matter. The netduma is suppose help with lag,but after this last update lag is getting worse. my ping was in the hundreds. Why? who knows. What I don't understand is how does someone gets in on my game when my range is set at 561 miles and on strict when there 2000 miles away????? I don't think mine is working correctly. I do believe lag comp has a negative effect on the netduma no matter what the experts thing. I've tried everything even switched isp. lag comp sucks. I can do ping test all day long it doesn't matter. I have a good connection untill i get in a game. I wish they could pigback and see for themselves what's going on. Others have already explained that's not exactly how it works. Please make a new thread with this info http://wiki.netduma.com/doku.php?id=lag_support_instructionsand we'll help optimise your settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 I mean i think since i got the monitor things were getting better. But everyone else is having a problem. I will test further just in case im speaking too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 well it was good for a day and now everything is back to crap again. So whats the real problem here? Something isnt right and now everyone is blaming the ISP for it. Seriously, I mean we have all tried everything to get this game to work and nothing seems to be working. I'm sorry to say this, and yes its a sin for even mentioning it, but there are only two options here that are causing most of our problems. 1. Black ops 3 is complete s*** 2. The router needs an immediate update because as everyone is claiming (including myself because i have noticed a big negative change) everything has went downhill with the router update 1.03.6 and now the router cannot compensate the game and its problems. (if that makes any sense which i think it kinda does). Meaning that the router's updated caused the router to be s*** Things need to change for all of us. If updating the router asap will fix it, then please come up with the update which should hopefully fix this. Everyone is tired of hearing the same thing about how its not the router, its the isp, its this, its that, everyone cant stand hearing it. I am trying to not be negative, but im just listening to what everyone else is saying and they're right. Something needs to be done here. Take this as advice, not as me b*******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 BO3 and all the more recent CoDs have their problems, that's a given. Do you have all / some / none of the DLC? (I know that sounds like a silly question but it affects the player base significantly). Where are you and what time are you playing when you are most affected? I find that every time 1am hits the game just falls to pieces and there must be tons of other people on the European dedis where I ALWAYS connect. (I am currently blaming my ISP and can't really confirm/deny the cause but it's a consistent and accurate 1am drop off for me). Does your ISP apply any kind of traffic shaping? Virgin Media (my ISP) used to have aggressive traffic shaping that seemed to affect games badly, they supposedly resolved this ages ago but my connection is generally terrible so who knows really (you may well be with a different ISP, that's just my example). But if it was the firmware update then surely everybody would be affected... Could you record some snippets on youtube for us to have a look at? I know it's a faff but then we can compare what you see to our own experiences with the game and we can say "yes, that's just how it is" or "sh*t, that's horrible, you have a problem". Sorry, if you've already answered some of these questions - I've got a sore head and didn't read back through everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 I mean i could try to do that, but you gotta give me time to set up the best game play that really shows the problem. Give me a couple to a few days. I gotta get the time to do that. I sometimes think that its not always lag comp, i sometimes think that with the matchmaking system and the team unbalance crap, that that also has a part in how good someone does (Meaning no one understands map control causing you to die faster than usual because you're getting flanked left and right.) But I will definitely try to get game play for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted June 1, 2016 Administrators Share Posted June 1, 2016 Post in the 1 on 1 request forum and I'll take a look. Let me know the times/dates you're available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 I mean i could try to do that, but you gotta give me time to set up the best game play that really shows the problem. Give me a couple to a few days. I gotta get the time to do that. I sometimes think that its not always lag comp, i sometimes think that with the matchmaking system and the team unbalance crap, that that also has a part in how good someone does (Meaning no one understands map control causing you to die faster than usual because you're getting flanked left and right.) But I will definitely try to get game play for you. No problem, don't pick just the worst examples though, pick an average game where it happens a bit (unless it does happen all the time of course). We're all going to suffer the odd game where it's terrible but we need to look at the 'normal' game to see how that plays. The game can be frustrating as hell, don't even get me started on what 'team mates' do or 'balancing' - it's enough to make you throw the pad the tv. You're right, I'm sure that sometimes it's a 'timing' issue with the lag comp where I assume it assesses the connections at the start of the game and then changing connections mess it all up. And sometimes you get totally screwed over by the spawning because of your team mates running all over the place so you just die and spawn and die. And often someone seems to have 'God mode', I don't know what causes this but when it's not me I hate it! Lag comp is funny, it's absolutely necessary or we wouldn't be able to hit anyone at all - did you ever play CoD4? There was much less effective lag comp in that one and if someone joined the lobby from a different country you would actually have to aim in front of them to hit them - it was really annoying. But all it really does is determine whether someone was on target when they pulled the trigger and whether they hit someone else or if they missed. It doesn't punish people based on connection or give the bad connection an advantage or anything like that. Deaths around corners are annoying as hell but are not actually a 'problem' with the game, it's all caused by data transfer timing / delays / ping differences etc but the person you're playing against will be having the same thing happen to them. It is still really annoying though and it absolutely doesn't seem fair. And sometimes it's just our own connection that's playing up. If you get a vid up we'll be able to tell you if it's normal or if something is behaving strangely at least. edit - I got halfway through this and then got a phone call, Fraser's post popped up in between and I didn't notice, so do what he said rather than what I said first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 ok. Thank you Fraser and CB. When I can, I will definitely get a gameplay when I get the chance. If i cant get anything within this week, just know its because i couldnt get the gameplay that exactly proves it or i just didnt have the time. Again, Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 ok. Thank you Fraser and CB. When I can, I will definitely get a gameplay when I get the chance. If i cant get anything within this week, just know its because i couldnt get the gameplay that exactly proves it or i just didnt have the time. Again, Thank you Make sure you post in the 1on1 for Fraser first, if you've missed anything or it's a setup issue he'll see you get sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 Ok. I'm trying to post the video to the 1 on 1 forum but it wont let me upload the video. Is there an easier way to try to upload the video? And Fraser, I'm available 10 in the morning Eastern Daylight Savings Time. I can't prove my point if i cant post the video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Ok. I'm trying to post the video to the 1 on 1 forum but it wont let me upload the video. Is there an easier way to try to upload the video? And Fraser, I'm available 10 in the morning Eastern Daylight Savings Time. I can't prove my point if i cant post the video Don't worry about posting the video in the 1to1 section, Fraser is going to look at your settings in the 1to1 - the video isn't going to help him with that I doubt. Put the vid on youtube and post the link in here please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 ok. I'll make it private Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 Here it is. Not all deaths were lag comp, but there were a few good ones in here that really show the problem here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor-Yout Posted June 5, 2016 Share Posted June 5, 2016 Here it is. Not all deaths were lag comp, but there were a few good ones in here that really show the problem here i cant watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzo Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share Posted June 5, 2016 ok. I'll fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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