bbursley Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 So for some reason even without using Geo filter. I test my ping to the current server I'm on and it's around 22ms. I'm using 95% on my CC and buffer bloat is always prime on download and I can never seem to get upload to be consistent. But anyways while playing the same 22-24ms ping game (dedicated server) I'm playing on I'll be shooting people and no matter what one minute it'll be like I'm melting them hit detection is prime and another minute I'm just getting hit markers and usually I die to these kind of bs events. Can someone explain what's going on here? Lag compensation? My connection never seems to fluctuate much according to the pings in the Geo. So why am I still getting outguned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 So for some reason even without using Geo filter. I test my ping to the current server I'm on and it's around 22ms. I'm using 95% on my CC and buffer bloat is always prime on download and I can never seem to get upload to be consistent. But anyways while playing the same 22-24ms ping game (dedicated server) I'm playing on I'll be shooting people and no matter what one minute it'll be like I'm melting them hit detection is prime and another minute I'm just getting hit markers and usually I die to these kind of bs events. Can someone explain what's going on here? Lag compensation? My connection never seems to fluctuate much according to the pings in the Geo. So why am I still getting outguned? Assuming you are playing COD - In my opinion they want this lag in the game. Because for every bullet that doesn't count for you, or every time you die around a corner, means that someone else is on the winning side of the lag and having a game of their lives. What better way to keep ALL of their customers happy, than to blame their connection when they are doing bad and when they are doing good - nobody notices the lag. Same can be applied to flinch in the game. It takes skill out of the equation because you can't counter flinch no matter how good you are. So when timmy no thumbs comes around a corner and is shooting at a cod veteran who's been playing for 8 years every day of his life - skill is no factor in a head to head one on one gun fight when you have random lag on both sides and flinch that throws off your shot randomly. Randomness is my point here, it keeps everyone happy, sometimes, and that sometimes is enough to keep you playing. That is just my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlitzOmenz Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I like your theory I Am MoD Box. Makes sense of what I see too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knomax Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Assuming you are playing COD - In my opinion they want this lag in the game. Because for every bullet that doesn't count for you, or every time you die around a corner, means that someone else is on the winning side of the lag and having a game of their lives. What better way to keep ALL of their customers happy, than to blame their connection when they are doing bad and when they are doing good - nobody notices the lag. Same can be applied to flinch in the game. It takes skill out of the equation because you can't counter flinch no matter how good you are. So when timmy no thumbs comes around a corner and is shooting at a cod veteran who's been playing for 8 years every day of his life - skill is no factor in a head to head one on one gun fight when you have random lag on both sides and flinch that throws off your shot randomly. Randomness is my point here, it keeps everyone happy, sometimes, and that sometimes is enough to keep you playing. That is just my theory. I agree with you my friend i am playing multiplayer from the first cod...above 10 years of playing. I remember etc in MW2 when my team meet specific players we knew before the game starts that we will try hard to win these players...because they are better skilled players than us. So many players stays and try to win.....but many of them just leave the game and don't even try to play. I was playing MW2 without R1...BenQ monitor for example...i was playing with my "default" modem/router my ISP gives to me..and with a simple TV...i was playing pretty good...and when i lose IT WAS CLEAR that the only reason i "lose" it that i was playing against better players...with better skills. 3 bullets needed to kill someone....3 bullets needed to kill me.....so simple. In "new" games Activision i think knew that in these "new" games will be played with players with 3...5..10 years experience and with players that are pretty new to cod...so if "new' players every time "lose" it is not good for Activision because they will be angry and stop playing...or change game. They lose money....the only think that counts for them!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbursley Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 So then really what's the point of the netduma and why do people you watch like on YouTube or even some people on here have like flawless connection where they are dominating all the time. Like themarkofj or people like that he. Clearly gets some low ping games but hardly ever gets screwed over. Seems like the only way to not be screwed over is by getting host. In IW and ghost's mw2 having host is gold. Your bullets will melt like it's meant to feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knomax Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 The point of Netduma is first to "fix" your network..etc CC your devices.....to "fix" small connection problems from your ISP again with CC....to prevent connecting to far and this will rise your ping in that game....so maybe will be "host". Many users of R1 just has wrong settings for THEIR network...and just easy blame R1. This forum has many guides and many users wants to help people. But one problem is that many are lazy to "read" and wants a "ready solution". Ask themarkofj how many hours he spend to find HIS best settings????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBull2k Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Sounds like the normal Bandit at the pub - pays at a variable ratio,(pays out now and again to keep you playing) = NO SKILL INVOLVED, Just play and you will get rewarded at some point. Same can be said for the crypto chest, variable ratio - pays out at 10% if you buy in 10's but buy in 30's will pay out at 33% percentages just at a guess. again this is designed for people to keep opening chests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RL317 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I'm getting jerky/stop and start aim assist, one frame deaths (in core) and hitmarker delays my local servers with this. Seems legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted November 28, 2016 Administrators Share Posted November 28, 2016 Does you ping appear to be fluctuating whilst in game? I assume all devices are connected to the R1 in order for congestion control to work correctly? Have you temp banned the server with Geo on and tried to force a different server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slashformayor Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 So then really what's the point of the netduma and why do people you watch like on YouTube or even some people on here have like flawless connection where they are dominating all the time. Like themarkofj or people like that he. Clearly gets some low ping games but hardly ever gets screwed over. Seems like the only way to not be screwed over is by getting host. In IW and ghost's mw2 having host is gold. Your bullets will melt like it's meant to feel You can't really compare TheMarkofJ's games to 95% of the rest of us playing. Although i pretty sure he lives close to his exchange and has some seriously low pings, that's only half the story. J has superior map knowledge and excellent gun skill. He is able to predict enemy spawns and where enemies are likely to turn up. It's all good saying that connection is to blame, but there is no substitute for genuine skill. I had a similar problem a few months ago, and have since changed ISP's, and now in the 4 hours or so gaming i have done since i have not yet gone negative K/D, i started a thread on it which may have a few ideas you can try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbursley Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Well in black ops 3 my ping fluctuates something stupid. But when I use the geofiltering and get that dedicated server I never see it hit above 26ms and it seems pretty steady so either geofiltering ping is broken or bo3 ping System is broken. Either way at 27 ms I shouldn't be getting any hit markers or stupid deaths. I've seen pings double mine with less issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsta69 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Try forcing a connection to another dedicated server, some are just shit to be honest. You cab get better games on some servers despite a higher ping than others. Not sure if it's a saturation point thing or what but some deffo play better than others. Or try temp banning them. A note on that would be to remind you if you do temp ban a server it may APPEAR you are put straight back on the same server but check the IP address as they are in banks and you will be on a different one but just in the same location . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbursley Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 True but I've noticed I cant ban dedis without strict mode being on has that always been a thing? I don't remember it being so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I've noticed I cant ban dedis without strict mode being What do you mean? I'm sure I can, although I haven't tried to ban one in a long time. What makes you think it's strict mode that's stopping you from applying a temp ban? Can you provide a screenshot of your Geo Filter page, with your usual settings? And a screenshot showing that you can't temp ban a dedi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsta69 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Dunno as I always have strict on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Dunno as I always have strict on. If I'm playing a game that needs the Geo then I do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsta69 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If I play a game where geo has to be turned off like TF2 at certain times yeah but I dont think it works anyway if geo off. I just love the fact that I can see where im connected to my ping to the game so I can see if the game is dicking me or my connection. lol Most of the time with cod it's the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 8, 2016 Administrators Share Posted December 8, 2016 Strict on to ban dedis yes because with strict off you can connect to them outside your radius if they're close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slipknot31286sic6 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 30 ms ping or under. Still seems cod lies. Always that one guy in the lobby you can't touch. It's worse in hardcore. Dump half a clip in a guy sitting in a corner, running off or gun fight. Rest of the time 1 to 2 bullets, nv4 or kbar or raw. It's insane when u run fhr, 70+ bullets, takes about 60 to kill 2 people... No other game is like this. But the ticker over everything. Geo filter is off for every other game out there. Honestly quit hosting parties, turn off geo on Duma. IW seems to play night in day when in a party. If I play solo. Geo on or off. I feel like cod God with 3 to 5.0 kd.... Obviously it's the game /servers. Buffer bloat/connection won't help you either. Throttle too is a joke. You can't manipulate any 2 same games to test those theories. Tired thinking this router will fix cod game play. Router only fixes congestion on network and seeing that cod lies or cares about ping./all players withing 400 miles or less. Ping isn't king in cod. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbursley Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 I do feel as though the local congestion IS a big factor honestly. If I'm getting a shit buffer bloat test more likely than not online feels shit too. But when it's an a/a+ it feels like bullets actually do register better. I've tested this many times. I had my modem and a Asus router (touted as being a too brand) and tested buffer bloat and it is amazing how even with congestion control set on it that it still has crazy uplink bloat. I go back hook up the netduma and bam instantly lower results. I also find too that the modem you use makes a massive difference. I took my isps modem router combo, BRIDGED it to make it serve as only a modem and with all the same buffer bloat settings set I'm getting over 3000+ ms bloat. Like wtf. So clearly a quality modem matters just as much as having the duma. I've even tested this on routers with ddwrt and it can't even provide the same results. I do however feel as though the netduma has some pretty bad hardware. The wifi (at least for me) really sucks. Although it may be my cheap phone. ALTHOUGH even with full signal on a channel that nobody else is using on their routers surrounding me I still get pixeled video for an initial moment, the Asus does not make that a problem. So yes the WiFi is garbage even testing on different tablets etc but the QoS is by far the best. The hyperlane makes a noticeable difference in my opinion as well. The Geo filter does help in some games like bo3 where I can lock onto a closer/cleaner host/server however on games where lag compensation is a big problem for example infinite warfare using the Geo filter screws you over more than it helps. Why is this? I'm not sure 99% of the time I don't use the Geo filter unless I'm finding shitty matches consistently. So yes the netduma can help when needed but I find that the QoS and the hardware are the most fundamental parts of a good online connection aside from having a good ISP. Now I have really great kds in many call of duty games so I always know when I'm being screwed over and when I'm like oh shoot I didn't see that guy there. But in summary I can't play without a duma or I get pissed off quickly and bullets don't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbursley Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 If I play a game where geo has to be turned off like TF2 at certain times yeah but I dont think it works anyway if geo off. I just love the fact that I can see where im connected to my ping to the game so I can see if the game is dicking me or my connection. lol Most of the time with cod it's the game I agree man. I know of a few ways to actually counter lag compensation that I've been testing on my own. But it is cheating, but it does also work very well. Regardless of your ping for the most part although your ping does help. There's just multiple ways of unethically attacking it but as it is cheating I wouldn't suggest them. I am however very excited for the anti jitter coming to the duma. I know there's been a lot of conversation about if it's against the rules or not for on-line play but I feel like it shouldn't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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