iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So I've spoke to Iain before about this and he wasn't sure what was going on either so I thought I would post here if someone else had any input or advice. For some reason I don't think my router's congestion control is working, not sure why or how though... Anyways, everyone in my house got new phones (iphones) and they are backing up to icloud at night which is essentially flooding my upload (12Mbps). This is done automatically once the phone reaches 100% charge. Okay so set my CC upload to 70% and that should fix it? Nope, it still makes my ping go crazy. I basically can't play if something is uploading, such as a phone backup. So I tried unchecking share excess for my upload which would severely limit my upload speed per device. Figuring that only having 1.5 Mbps upload wouldn't effect much with so much headroom for everyone else. Well that doesn't work either. So I'm at a loss here, what should work doesn't and I don't know what else to do... Here is a screenshot of 100% CC sliders, share excess unticked for upload, nothing is in hyperlane, and you can see my pingplotter results... The left side shows when my connection is basically idle, the right is when I start an upload on my PS4. Should there be that much jitter with something uploading at only 1.5 Mbps? Also, if I do a speedtest this is my result with share excess unticked. This was one of the screenshots I sent to Iain after he said to drop it to 50% and see what happens... https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/722983032878034947/722983032899010560/7hWFaPoh.jpg His reply: http://i.imgur.com/RLia7aF.png TL;DR - Basically if anyone in my house uploads anything, no matter what setting I use my ping spikes and in-game I am skipping all over the place. It just so happens that the phones run their backups almost the same time every night which is when I'm gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I have just tested mine to see if upload is effected like yours running a speed test up and download @ 70% each way CC share excess reset distribution while running pingplotter the pings only shows 1ms of jitter. I would suggest you turn off your duma for 5 minutes and retest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 I have just tested mine to see if upload is effected like yours running a speed test up and download @ 70% each way CC share excess reset distribution while running pingplotter the pings only shows 1ms of jitter. I would suggest you turn off your duma for 5 minutes and retest. Did that and also a factory reset... What is your upload speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 17mb when CC'd to 70% its around 11mb Have you tried with share excess ticked and reset distribution ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 17mb when CC'd to 70% its around 11mb Have you tried with share excess ticked and reset distribution ? This is what happened with share excess ticked, 50% CC upload and the iphone was backing up... https://ton.twitter.com/i/ton/data/dm/722983032878034947/722983032899010560/7hWFaPoh.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Link does not work but i see it in Iain's reply. Have you retested today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Link does not work but i see it in Iain's reply. Have you retested today? Right now 50% upload CC, no hyperlane, reset distribution, and my PS4 uploading a ~700mb video to youtube... http://i.imgur.com/e4d76Jr.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Same test, you can see when the upload stopped... http://i.imgur.com/wauth3R.png It's not a very high ping spike, but when you're in game you notice it ALOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Switch from reactive to preemtive then back to reactive And also waggle the sliders as sometimes in the past for me they have shown a lower CC but have been stuck on 100% A long shot and i doubt you would but is the other routers wifi on at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Switch from reactive to preemtive then back to reactive And also waggle the sliders as sometimes in the past for me they have shown a lower CC but have been stuck on 100% Already done lol which switching algorthims and wiggling the sliders seemed to work and I thought I was crazy... But sadly it turned out the iphone backup wasn't run that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpz44 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 So I see you have your devices set to auto iCloud back up,which will back up every day when plugged in and connected over wifi, you can turn off auto back up on iOS devices ,I have mine turned off you can back up once a week if you wanted to,I'm not sure if the back ups can be scheduled ,I'll check that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 So I see you have your devices set to auto iCloud back up,which will back up every day when plugged in and connected over wifi, you can turn off auto back up on iOS devices ,I have mine turned off you can back up once a week if you wanted to,I'm not sure if the back ups can be scheduled ,I'll check that Oh yes, that's definitely an option.. But it's not just the icloud backups. Basically if anyone in my house uploads anything, no matter what setting I use my ping spikes and in-game I am skipping all over the place. It just so happens that the phones run their backups almost the same time every night which is when I'm gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpz44 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Rrrrr,no can't be set by schedule ,however can be done manually . https://support.apple.com/kb/PH12520?locale=en_GB And this one http://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-setup-enable-and-manage-icloud-backup-on-iphone/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpz44 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Oh yes, that's definitely an option.. But it's not just the icloud backups. Basically if anyone in my house uploads anything, no matter what setting I use my ping spikes and in-game I am skipping all over the place. It just so happens that the phones run their backups almost the same time every night which is when I'm gaming.I think that if you turn off the back up and then turn it back on at a different time it will do the back ups every day at that time,have a read if this as I think that's what it's saying,so if that's the case then the back ups can occur when your not gaminghttp://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/schedule-and-requirements-for-automatic-icloud-backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 I think that if you turn off the back up and then turn it back on at a different time it will do the back ups every day at that time,hav a rad if this as I think that's what it's saying,so if that's the case then the back ups can occur when your not gaming http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/schedule-and-requirements-for-automatic-icloud-backups It's not how it works, it will run no matter what time it is as long as the phone is at 100%, charging and on wifi... But as I said, it doesn't have to be the phone backups... Any upload, no matter the settings I try will make me lag in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Would you mind if I take a look at your settings etc via team viewer? this has got me interested in the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharpz44 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Ok ,but this may help a little towards it. your device may not be backed up to iCloud at the same time every day, but once 24 hours has elapsed the iPhone will make a backup as soon as it is plugged in and on Wi-Fi with the screen off. For example, if your iPhone backs up to iCloud at 10:00 pm tonight, but you don’t plug it in while on a Wi-Fi connection until midnight tomorrow night, the next backup will occur at midnight—basically as soon as you plug it in—and future backups will continue to run at midnight on subsequent days as long as the iPhone is plugged in, connected to Wi-Fi, and has the screen off at that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBull2k Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I guess the best test is to take the duma to a friends house, that way you can at least eliminate some things that will help towards finding the root cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Can someone on the newest version test something for me? Does performing a factory reset make you go through the initial setup tutorial again, which shows you what every feature is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBull2k Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 when i done a reset recently it showed me the tutorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 when i done a reset recently it showed me the tutorial. Mine does not, which I thought was weird... Can someone else confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infernomachine Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 yes tutorial comes up when reset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 So it's safe to say something is wrong with my router, so now what? Speedtest done on my phone... Reactive, 70% on both CC - http://i.imgur.com/ORmKy2a.png Preemptive, 70% on both CC - http://i.imgur.com/ZuCeqYO.png Preemptive, 50% on both CC - http://i.imgur.com/Fdb5NMC.png Something is definitely wrong, I checked super turbo mode and this was my speedtest.. http://www.speedtest.net/result/5292142022.png I get 180/10 lol with turbo mode enabled I can't load a website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted May 2, 2016 Administrators Share Posted May 2, 2016 The only reason I could think of that would result in the congestion control not working would be: Super turbo mode is enabled There are 1 or more devices connecting to the ISP hub/a router before the duma - either via wifi or wired. I would double check the only ethernet cables connected to your ISP is the one connecting the ISP hub to the duma. Ensure the wifi on that hub is definitely disabled as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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