Different QoS settings, Different Results WARZONE

[SolidOny]

So been testing QoS settings moving sliders, and individual bandwidth speed for my gaming PC, Found out turning QoS off worked better for my connection, (LOWEST PING POSSIBLE, Better Bullet Hit Reg) But why? i cannot wait for Duma OS 3.2 On XR 500 hoping the Auto Setup helps! 

[ryekye]

41 minutes ago, SolidOny said:

So been testing QoS settings moving sliders, and individual bandwidth speed for my gaming PC, Found out turning QoS off worked better for my connection, (LOWEST PING POSSIBLE, Better Bullet Hit Reg) But why? i cannot wait for Duma OS 3.2 On XR 500 hoping the Auto Setup helps! 

Agreed hoping 3.2 comes out before Christmas!

[Netduma Fraser]

Have you turned off QoS completely via the Congestion Control menu  ? If not Traffic Prioritization will still be active and helping keep the ping stable. Depending on your internet speeds and what other devices are doing at the time CC may not be required to eliminate local congestion if there is none. 

[SolidOny]

1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said:

Have you turned off QoS completely via the Congestion Control menu  ? If not Traffic Prioritization will still be active and helping keep the ping stable. Depending on your internet speeds and what other devices are doing at the time CC may not be required to eliminate local congestion if there is none. 

Thats where ive turned off QoS. Traffic Prio is set to AUTO DETECT and still lights up 

[Netduma Liam]

11 hours ago, SolidOny said:

Thats where ive turned off QoS. Traffic Prio is set to AUTO DETECT and still lights up 

Let's try setting up a custom Traffic Prio rule for you. First, please re-enable QoS.

Then, go down to Traffic Prio and click 'Add rule'. Select your gaming device and pick 'Games Console' as the service.

Play a few games and see how it feels.

[SolidOny]

On 9/12/2022 at 7:56 AM, Netduma Liam said:

Let's try setting up a custom Traffic Prio rule for you. First, please re-enable QoS.

Then, go down to Traffic Prio and click 'Add rule'. Select your gaming device and pick 'Games Console' as the service.

Play a few games and see how it feels.

Did a few tests with games console and setting Gaming Pc as a console in device manager.

 

can Confirm 1-65535 UDP Source and destination on traffic prio works better for me than Games console  

[SolidOny]

Point is, Different sliders on Congestion control and Different Per device bandwith gives me different results on Warzone 

 

[Netduma Fraser]

Whatever works best for you is what you should use, every home network is different so there is no one size fits all approach, we have our recommendations which generally work for most but to get the ideal settings for you experimentation is key

[l2eactionz]

This is clearly something to do with the processing behind the qos on xr500 or something to do with the qos protocol being used.

 

Back in the day I made a post regarding the same issue and it still stands today qos on and optimised results in a a+ on dslreports and speedtest now having the bufferbloat icon my ping is 20 odd all the time. With qos disabled completely my dslreborts are mainly b grade and speed test shows over 1000ms during download and even more on upload.

However ends up playing better with qos turned off. Qos seems to create a real delay when gaming its definitely impossible to run qos and play cod games optimally when using qos. 

Since having the xr500 I've really not seen an improvement to gaming using the tools provided by the router seems to me like a qos overhaul is needed maybe change the qos protocol find out which is actually the best and make it work with the router it's really delayed.

 

My setup. Openreach modem, xr500, ethernet,ps5, qos disabled, dmz not set up moderate nat better, geo filter set circle around the uk only meaning I join the closest server all the time to make any tests I do as accurate as possible.

The only qos I ever found good was using an older netgear with the firmware from dd-wrt where you could literally chose from 3 different qos protocols 

[Netduma Fraser]

Sorry to hear that, a pretty big overhaul is coming to QoS though that's likely to be in 4.0 so would be interested to see your experience with that. If you were having local congestion then QoS would definitely help you

[l2eactionz]

5 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said:

Sorry to hear that, a pretty big overhaul is coming to QoS though that's likely to be in 4.0 so would be interested to see your experience with that. If you were having local congestion then QoS would definitely help 

Will do. When does it come out?

It is odd as yes qos is to prioritise traffic and lower congestion. When running tests and optimising bufferbloat you would expect gaming to be better but it just feels sluggish and behind.

I'm sure qos works for a crowded network to make gaming feel more smooth it just doesn't help optimise as such. If your good and you know how it feels and runs you can really tell the disadvantage using qos

[Netduma Fraser]

We don't give out any ETAs but it would likely be sometime early next year, we may run a beta before that but it's still being worked on so timeline is not set in stone at the moment. 

Try setting Congestion Control to never, disable DumaOS Classified Games and add your device to Traffic Prioritization with the Games Console service instead and see if that is better.

[Bert]

18 hours ago, l2eactionz said:

This is clearly something to do with the processing behind the qos on xr500 or something to do with the qos protocol being used.

 

Back in the day I made a post regarding the same issue and it still stands today qos on and optimised results in a a+ on dslreports and speedtest now having the bufferbloat icon my ping is 20 odd all the time. With qos disabled completely my dslreborts are mainly b grade and speed test shows over 1000ms during download and even more on upload.

However ends up playing better with qos turned off. Qos seems to create a real delay when gaming its definitely impossible to run qos and play cod games optimally when using qos. 

Since having the xr500 I've really not seen an improvement to gaming using the tools provided by the router seems to me like a qos overhaul is needed maybe change the qos protocol find out which is actually the best and make it work with the router it's really delayed.

 

My setup. Openreach modem, xr500, ethernet,ps5, qos disabled, dmz not set up moderate nat better, geo filter set circle around the uk only meaning I join the closest server all the time to make any tests I do as accurate as possible.

The only qos I ever found good was using an older netgear with the firmware from dd-wrt where you could literally chose from 3 different qos protocols 

 

QoS adds another layer of processing. And really you are trading ultimate low latency for a more stable latency.

 

Also CoD games, at least in 6v6 use something that is called artificial latency balancing. So if your ping is 20 but the lobby average is 100 it gives you a artificial penalty. So really would only advise using QoS if you have real issues like these 1000ms ping spikes.

 

Also noteworthy is that QoS is only useful if you download at the same time. Ie when you are playing a game and not using the internet much QoS will do almost nothing for you.

 

I have it off most of the time.

[l2eactionz]

2 hours ago, Bert said:

 

QoS adds another layer of processing. And really you are trading ultimate low latency for a more stable latency.

 

Also CoD games, at least in 6v6 use something that is called artificial latency balancing. So if your ping is 20 but the lobby average is 100 it gives you a artificial penalty. So really would only advise using QoS if you have real issues like these 1000ms ping spikes.

 

Also noteworthy is that QoS is only useful if you download at the same time. Ie when you are playing a game and not using the internet much QoS will do almost nothing for you.

 

I have it off most of the time.

Yeah I know I just expected with my idol bufferbloat being high and reducing it would have helped in some way.

 

But I agree it seems depending on setup and everything else making your own connection good just creates that artificial lag compensation. I genuinely played vanguard over a wireless connection just to stop the delay I was being given 

[Bert]

If the connection is spiking at idle no QoS will fix that, you will have to take it up with your ISP.

[l2eactionz]

2 hours ago, Bert said:

If the connection is spiking at idle no QoS will fix that, you will have to take it up with your ISP.

It's not my ping it's my bufferbloat on dslreports it's around 40 50 without qos. With qos I can get it to near zero 8ms average.

My in game ping is very smooth around 17 to 23ms to uk servers and 30 to the French servers.

I also make sure no one else is using the Internet at the same time as my isp speed is limited due to location.

I'm actually wondering if I set my geo filter to another area that gives me a higher ping maybe I'll be on the other end of the "artificial latency"

As previously mentioned by me and loads of other posts on her it seems getting the best connection hinders gaming while tweaking things that hinder your connection give you an advantage I.e speed throttling and background downloads while playing

[l2eactionz]

On 9/17/2022 at 11:33 PM, Netduma Fraser said:

We don't give out any ETAs but it would likely be sometime early next year, we may run a beta before that but it's still being worked on so timeline is not set in stone at the moment. 

Try setting Congestion Control to never, disable DumaOS Classified Games and add your device to Traffic Prioritization with the Games Console service instead and see if that is better.

I have done this and currently using advance with 81-65535 udp then another the same using tcp. This seems to be very similar to a fully disabled qos but it doesn't negatively effect gaming so i will keep it like this for piece of mind if it is doing anything positive 

 

I don't really care for all the random 3074 to 2000-5000.... that some people post about I just think surly opening them all and prioritising them all is the best option that way the whole console is priority.

[Phantomblu]

On 9/17/2022 at 5:16 PM, l2eactionz said:

This is clearly something to do with the processing behind the qos on xr500 or something to do with the qos protocol being used.

 

Back in the day I made a post regarding the same issue and it still stands today qos on and optimised results in a a+ on dslreports and speedtest now having the bufferbloat icon my ping is 20 odd all the time. With qos disabled completely my dslreborts are mainly b grade and speed test shows over 1000ms during download and even more on upload.

However ends up playing better with qos turned off. Qos seems to create a real delay when gaming its definitely impossible to run qos and play cod games optimally when using qos. 

Since having the xr500 I've really not seen an improvement to gaming using the tools provided by the router seems to me like a qos overhaul is needed maybe change the qos protocol find out which is actually the best and make it work with the router it's really delayed.

 

My setup. Openreach modem, xr500, ethernet,ps5, qos disabled, dmz not set up moderate nat better, geo filter set circle around the uk only meaning I join the closest server all the time to make any tests I do as accurate as possible.

The only qos I ever found good was using an older netgear with the firmware from dd-wrt where you could literally chose from 3 different qos protocols 

I believe that the protocols used by the game consoles are partly Torrent protocols, it could be a reason, a sort of vpn established by the consoles through those network protocols, because xbox uses gnutella and I could see from edgerouter x, with dpi inspection ....