ugotstretched Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Is there a way for me to use the xr500 as my primary router and have the fios router behind the xr500? When i try to do this the cable works but the on demand and the recording movies setting dont work. I read it could be something with moca? Im tired of having this verizon router as the main router cause of this on demand crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugotstretched Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 i really hope i dont have to go through all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Alex Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Well the first question is whether the Fios router is also a modem. The XR500 isn't a modem, so if the modem is built into the Fios router, that's a problem. If your ISP modem is separate from your ISP router then you might be ok. There are several options, but as you say, connecting the XR500 without the Fios router involved might cause some of the ISP services to stop working. It's possible that they use VLAN tagging to sort out the On Demand data from the other data, and that would be hard to recreate on the XR500. We could set the Fios router up to just forward everything to the XR500, but then the QoS might not be reliable as there would be video traffic coming through that the XR500 would not be able to factor into it's Anti-Bufferbloat calculations. Anyway first thing's first, do you have a separate ISP modem and router? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugotstretched Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 I believe its just a router, i think the modem part is taking care of by the ont box outside my house abd in my basement 7 hours ago, Netduma Alex said: Well the first question is whether the Fios router is also a modem. The XR500 isn't a modem, so if the modem is built into the Fios router, that's a problem. If your ISP modem is separate from your ISP router then you might be ok. There are several options, but as you say, connecting the XR500 without the Fios router involved might cause some of the ISP services to stop working. It's possible that they use VLAN tagging to sort out the On Demand data from the other data, and that would be hard to recreate on the XR500. We could set the Fios router up to just forward everything to the XR500, but then the QoS might not be reliable as there would be video traffic coming through that the XR500 would not be able to factor into it's Anti-Bufferbloat calculations. Anyway first thing's first, do you have a separate ISP modem and router? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 17, 2019 Administrators Share Posted December 17, 2019 Try ont > XR > fios with IGMP Proxying enabled in the WAN Settings of the XR, I think if your ISP services are going to work that's the only way if the XR doesn't require VLAN tags when plugged directly into the ONT. That's assuming it's a service you have access to without a box. If you have a box then I think the moca adapter is likely the only way to go. In most cases they tie the services to the router they provide to prevent you using other routers and depending on the company ensure you have to pay a rental fee for the router. ugotstretched 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRarsenxL Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Hey opening up this thread again bc I’m looking for the best way to hook up Fios tv with my XR1000. I’ve tried several ways including LAN-LAN and followed all steps. What Alex said above about the video traffic throwing off the QoS is what I believe to be what’s happening to my network. I just bought a moca adapter but anyone have any suggestions for FIOS bridges or best setups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 28, 2020 Administrators Share Posted December 28, 2020 In WAN Settings if you toggle IGMP Proxying that may help with using the TV and the router. If that doesn't work and you disable QoS completely from the Congestion Control 3 line option menu does it work properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRarsenxL Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 When I enabled IGMP, I started heavily lagging everywhere and issue isn’t that it doesn’t work with or without QoS, but I monitor ping plotter heavily and I can tell the latency jumps up whenever an Stb is turned on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 28, 2020 Administrators Share Posted December 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, fiefo said: When I enabled IGMP, I started heavily lagging everywhere and issue isn’t that it doesn’t work with or without QoS, but I monitor ping plotter heavily and I can tell the latency jumps up whenever an Stb is turned on Is it ticked or unticked? Ticked means you've disabled it. You could try adding it to Traffic Prioritization specifically to see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRarsenxL Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 I enabled it (unticked) and once I did that in combo with traffic prio it made my game lag horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 28, 2020 Administrators Share Posted December 28, 2020 What is your exact physical setup currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRarsenxL Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 ONT-XR-bridge Fios router Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 29, 2020 Administrators Share Posted December 29, 2020 So the fios router is behind the XR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRarsenxL Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Yea. But I think some of the STB data messed with the traffic prio and bufferbloat/QoS algorithms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRarsenxL Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Unless it’s the QoS algorithm itself. Perhaps using the same ports as Ps5 Cod/game data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 29, 2020 Administrators Share Posted December 29, 2020 If you disabled QoS completely from the Congestion Control menu then that wouldn't affect it. Does it work if you do ONT > Fios > XR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codester Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I tried for a month to get this to work a few years ago when I still had cable with Fios. I eventually just dropped the cable, enabled the Ethernet port on the ONT and just used the Netduma while tossing the Fios router in a box. This was with the R1 though as it's been a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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