SBMM in BO3

[lthoma89]

Apparently bo3 will have similar mm to bo2, which i believe is great. My biggest problem with SBMM is not the fact of trying my butt off every game, but being the only one going 40-20 with 8 caps 9 defends while the next highest score on my team is 2.5k below mine. The balance is terribly off and this is the majority of my games.

 

Hopefully this means we will get more p2p games for bo3. Bo2 is alot less laggy than aw by far and some of it is because of SBMM and/or the dedicated servers we are forced to play on. Honestly if i could play p2p most games and play against tryhards that are dispersed equally, id be more than happy.

 

Give me your thoughts, i posted here because people are more mature and can comment constructively.

[fuzzy clam]

Agreed i would love more P2P games.I couldn't stand BO2 when it came out as i seemed to always be on the bad end of lag but now with the duma i actually enjoy playing BO2 more than AW.

 

And it's hard to say how much SBMM will or won't affect gameplay.I have no problem with playing people on my level on an even playing field,the issue i have is being behind with no chance of winning a face to face gunfight.And the problem is no one really knows why this situation happens...is it lag,bad coding,poor match making or a combination of all of them.

 

I feel like an ass as i was one of those people screaming for "dedicated servers" and now wishing i could take it back as are most.But i can't see them going back to P2P system,i know they are using a hybrid system of listen (P2P) and dedi's but the dedi's are really bad.

 

And as far as the big score difference,that's just people playing dom like team campmatch.They just sit on a flag to get the kills,they don't cap.They just get the kills so they get there streaks,i tell people all the time PTFO which is play the f**king objective.If you don't wanna play an objective based game play team deathmatch,all ya gotta do is get kills

[PuppetMaster]

Bo2 is alot less laggy than aw by far and some of it is because of SBMM and/or the dedicated servers we are forced to play on. Honestly if i could play p2p most games and play against tryhards that are dispersed equally, id be more than happy.

 

Give me your thoughts, i posted here because people are more mature and can comment constructively.

 

 

BO2 is the worst game i've ever played lag wise & BO2 had dedicated servers

[lthoma89]

At launch for me atleast, Bo2 had some terrible lag but idk if we constantly played on dedicated servers or not. I just hope i can get alot of my games on p2p for Bo3 so i can enjoy smooth gameplay

[Dillinger]

I don't have a problem with SBMM, provided that it also uses some common effing sense.  If the next closest player to me in perceived "ability" is 2,000 miles away, use your head and don't put us in the same lobby.  

 

If reverse boosting (killing yourself 200 times a match to lower score per minute and K/D) gives you easier and better lobbies, then I honestly feel the algorithm used to determine "ability" is a P1 DEFECT and needs to be fixed asap.  

 

My hope is the beta will help catch this quickly, as well as helping to better balance weapons and "other misc crap" used in the game.

 

As for try-hards and sweaties, I guess I am one, and would consider most of the people who have made their way here to at least be "fringe" members of the club.  If you are willing to spend money to play better than using just OEM equipment, well, welcome to the club.  

 

I am completely with fuzzy clam in that I too was crying and bitching to anyone about having dedicated servers.  I believed they would lead to a better, more balanced playing field, and thus a better gaming experience.

 

I'll have to wait and see how that plays out when the local dedis in my area are pointed to Blops 3 and I get some game time on it.  Right now, playing Blops 2, the only time I get dedis are if they are part of the SoCal bank, which is pretty rare.  The lobbies have low ping, for the most part, but I do get better games playing P2P.

 

The community (Charlie Intel and YT) seem to all be WAY over-hyped already for Blops 3, which no doubt will blow up once one of the big YT "stars" finds something they don't like and puts out the first hate video.  I was actually thinking about running a cash poll to see who will be the first YT'er with over 100K subs to put out the first "shitting on Blops 3" video.  My money was going to be on anyone but Drift0r....LOL

[Alex49H]

CharlieIntel and others are paid cronies by ATVI so that is why there is so much hype. Vahn went to Twitter and thinks it is a popularity contest playing and using these people who believe him.

 

I like some of the features that were updated like Frame Rounding, C4 and scorestreaks. But these Devs have lost there way.

[Dillinger]

I don't disagree Alex, but I do think Von is the best Community relations guy, or girl Tina, we have had since Robert Trolling.  The guy gets it and knows how to build hype AND tease the community to keep interest alive.  

 

Putting up double XP for Blops 2 the weekend of the trailer release?  A simple, no-brainer, to the average Marketing 101 student.  But as a player of his game, I appreciated it.

 

He's active on Twitter and has been answering questions that include information about the game, in April and months before release, that we haven't seen in YEARS from any CoD figurehead.  Again, see Robert B.  

 

He's indicated that this will be his last go around has community relations guy.  So either he thinks the game is going to work and he's going out on top.  Or he's going to go out the way the last two community relations peeps have gone and disappear 4 weeks after release.

 

I really hope it's the first one of those options.

[Alex49H]

I hope so too! Hoping for a better and improved game! Good points Dillinger.

[Zennon]

Cod4 modern warfare was an anomaly, it came about just at the right time.

 

The graphics were amazing and the game-play was spot on , we still search for the elusive high, never reaching its greatness.

[Pmass82]

I agree about SBMM in Advanced Warfare. It just doesn't make any sense. How do split screeners constantly make it into lobbies and do absolutely horrbily (2-38, no caps). Most of the time they are on my team. Or if not that then I do the best while my team greats dumped on. The matchmaking system/SBMM definitely needs to be overhauled in AW. Here's my hopes for Black Ops 3. Hopefully they have a better SBMM algorithim. I love competitive games but most of the games in AW result in a blowout. Never that competitive game you'd hope SBMM would create. I honestly say leave SBMM for ranked/competitive. Matchmaking in pubs should be for connection focused. Activision is just protecting the noobs as JustnSlayer says with SBMM.

[Zennon]

Sbmm has always been there if I am on the winning team and i come top in any cod then i will go up against the next highest scoring player.

 

In aw for me it puts my kd against a lobby of the same kd players. Everyone with lighning reactions but far distances from around the globe with their high ping times = ball ache.

[procreate]

how was BO2 good matchmaking? its SBMM was the pits! the hit detection and lag was even worse. we used to bypass the SBMM by making a crappy player the team leader, lobbies were always easier... otherwise you had to try your panties off and it wasnt about skill, its who had lag pro.

[Zennon]

how was BO2 good matchmaking? its SBMM was the pits! the hit detection and lag was even worse. we used to bypass the SBMM by making a crappy player the team leader, lobbies were always easier... otherwise you had to try your panties off and it wasnt about skill, its who had lag pro.

That also works for AW , Bops duce did have heavy sbmm but they soon reeled it in and it became more about latency.

[cranium2001]

I don't disagree Alex, but I do think Von is the best Community relations guy, or girl Tina, we have had since Robert Trolling. The guy gets it and knows how to build hype AND tease the community to keep interest alive.

 

Putting up double XP for Blops 2 the weekend of the trailer release? A simple, no-brainer, to the average Marketing 101 student. But as a player of his game, I appreciated it.

 

He's active on Twitter and has been answering questions that include information about the game, in April and months before release, that we haven't seen in YEARS from any CoD figurehead. Again, see Robert B.

 

He's indicated that this will be his last go around has community relations guy. So either he thinks the game is going to work and he's going out on top. Or he's going to go out the way the last two community relations peeps have gone and disappear 4 weeks after release.

 

I really hope it's the first one of those options.

I'm a huge fan of Vondehaar. He, in my opinion, has done a lot for the community and seems to know what the average Joe wants. I'm pulling for him. ##invahnwetrust

[Dillinger]

how was BO2 good matchmaking? its SBMM was the pits! the hit detection and lag was even worse. we used to bypass the SBMM by making a crappy player the team leader, lobbies were always easier... otherwise you had to try your panties off and it wasnt about skill, its who had lag pro.

 

I don't disagree that early on, before we knew a lot of what we know now, the matchmaking sucked.  I have played this game pretty much exclusively since I got it (Not a fan of Ghosts period and I play AW when I want a "different" type of FPS) and I haven't had legitimate matchmaking issues in more than a year.

 

As a solo player I frequently come across parties where 1 or 2 members have beast K/D and SPM, but it's rare to get thrown in with a party of guys who are playing pub lobbies for the stomping aspect.  Caveat:  Unless it's before a Blops 2 weekday tourney, then all the players use the pub lobbies as tune up matches and it does suck.

 

I'm a huge fan of Vondehaar. He, in my opinion, has done a lot for the community and seems to know what the average Joe wants. I'm pulling for him. ##invahnwetrust

 

I also feel Von is the best community guy I have personally seen in the "limited" time I have been playing CoD.  The guy had EVERY right to shit all over the community and turn his back forever after they Docx'd him and sent him threatening EVERYTHING after the sniper nerfs.  But he just rolled with it and he's back for another go around.

 

In that aspect, he's a much better man than I am....LOL

[procreate]

Meh. I just put it in for shit's and grins and it is horrid and clunky... Nevermnind all the campers. It's sooooooo slow paced. Ghosts is faster than BO2. Felt like I was running in water. Lag is still there even with the R1.

 

I'll probably pass on BO3. Hopefully battlefront is cool. Take a break until IW release. They always have better connections.

[fuzzy clam]

Let's just all hope the get the coding right and the broken camera angle's fixed on BO3.I hated BO2 when it came out but now with the duma i really enjoy it.But got a PS4 yesterday so i've been playing AW and Ghosts on that.

 

I have no faith in the devs (aside from the duma boys) but still have pre ordered BO3 so i can check out the beta,which is why i got the PS4 also.Let's hope the learned from past mistakes and past successes and move the game in the right direction.

[BL4CK OPS V3TRN]

Slightly off subject but is there any truth in blops3 being next gen only

[procreate]

i think SBMM is a disservice to the game. matchmaking should be PURELY connection/ping based. LOBBIES should be SBMM as in it divides up the teams into "even" skills [oppose the higher KD players and disperse the rest evenly. right now, its lopsided a lot of times. when i play hardpoint i can and am usually at the top of the lobby regardless if i win or lose because i know how to play and know the rotations... and i will have 5 other players on my team that have no clue how to play it and get decimated. nevermind the lag/connection issues that surround both 3arc and SHG. i have NO FAITH in BO3 and most likely wont order it. my son might so i will probably check it out but i think until IW release i wont be playing much CoD.

 

but my main reason why its a disservice is because the bad players dont ever get to see how good players play. thats how i learned how to get good! way back when there wasnt SBMM and could SEE the players on my team and other teams play. 

[psygn]

1. Match by ping/region
2. Match by solo or party (parties should be up against parties more than against randoms, and vice-versa)
3. Add a pinch of SBMM

Honestly, I understand SBMM.  It is frustrating but I think they can still keep it if they scale it back to where it doesn't crush the solo players and doesn't force matches to people thousands of miles away from each other.  The problem in this game is that with my 2.7kdr in TDM, AW absolutely loves putting all the players who couldn't hold their own... you know what... if their lives counted on it, on my team.  I have to play THAT much harder only to lose and break my back in the process.  Oh, how I wish there was a Mercenary mode today... it existed in past CoD games that honestly really didn't need it.  If it existed in AW you can bet your ass that's where I'd be, because I'm tired of playing against parties all day long just because I'm great at CoD.

[cranium2001]

Slightly off subject but is there any truth in blops3 being next gen only

Not sure yet if it's true but I honestly hope it is. The player base has been suffering for a year and a half now.

 

Imagine if 70% of the previous gen players jumped over. We would have full lobbies all the time.

[procreate]

I believe next gen only.

[Dillinger]

Slightly off subject but is there any truth in blops3 being next gen only

 

Dave's crew, at 3arc, are only programming Blops 3 for Next-Gen & PC.  "They" (3arc,Activision,Someone) is outsourcing the 360 and PS3 variants to another, or multiple other, studios.

[cranium2001]

Dave's crew, at 3arc, are only programming Blops 3 for Next-Gen & PC. "They" (3arc,Activision,Someone) is outsourcing the 360 and PS3 variants to another, or multiple other, studios.

Kind of like they did with MW3 for the wii? That would make sense but still rib us. Unless it suck as bad as mw3 wii. That looked awful.

[procreate]

even if another studio handles the port, it will probably not be great like AW HMS release. then again AW from SHG isnt that great either. i am blown away that ghosts got such hatred when AW is far more awful than ghosts ever was. there are STILL map glitches. more than i have ever seen in any CoD release ever. game still plays like ass. its jumpy. connection is atrocious. most times i want to just break something while playing it. 

 

and before you go saying, "oh its 3arc"... screw that company. i quit playing CoD during BO2 because it was pure trash as well.