Od1n Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 theres something i never understood about Congestion Control and Network Monitor maybe its a bug, maybe my R1 is faulty setup by me or i just always understood the green slider and its % in the wrong way lol when i set congestion control to 70% (so 30% to the console) and i download a game on the console, the game downloads with 70% of my connection when i set the percentage to 10% the game downloads with 10% of my upload when i set the precentage to 100% the game downloads with 100% of my connection share excess ticked that is not how it should work i guess, it should be the other way round from my understanding when i set congestion control to 30% the game should download with at least 70% of the connection but its just downloading with 30% i always have my PC running in the meantime and as it seems the R1 is regarding the PC as the "gaming device" and therefore puts it under the congestion priorisation i can confirm this, for the PC its the entire opposite: when i set congestion control to 10% i download at least with 90% of my connection when i set congestion to 90% i download at least with 10% of my connection or did i get the green % slider in congestion control totally wrong? i thought it works the following green bar = bandwidth for any other device (= listed % number) remaining grey bar = bandwidth you assign to the gaming device, so when the slider is set to 70% your console has 30% dedicated to it and the other 70% remain for all other devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollutionblues Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Hi Od1n, The sliders on the congestion control page control the bandwidth for all devices. To dedicate bandwith specifically to your console use the Device Prioritisation. http://wiki.netduma.com/doku.php?id=cc_settings&s[]=device&s[]=prioritisation Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 The left over is for other devices to use when the 70% is saturated like pollutionblues has said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Od1n Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 yes i read that but its but it can be interpreted in both ways, it isnt really nailed down in its explanation imo so how is the following picture to see? 1) 70% for all other devices, 30% reserved for gaming devices or 2) 70% reserved for gaming devices, 30% for all other devices from my experience yesterday as described above it seems to be 2) but the written text indicated towards 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dog Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Edit. Scratch that. I just read Z's comment. Edit 2 lol. I thought it was: 70% is used by all connected devices. 30% remains free (nothing ever uses that bit), so connection isn't stressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 yes i read that but its but it can be interpreted in both ways, it isnt really nailed down in its explanation imo so how is the following picture to see? 1) 70% for all other devices, 30% reserved for gaming devices or 2) 70% reserved for gaming devices, 30% for all other devices from my experience yesterday as described above it seems to be 2) but the written text indicated towards 1) When you set the cap at 70% you cap the whole connection to 70% of what ever you entered into congestion control. This means there is no local congestion. The 30% that is left is not used for anything which is the whole point - it means the network does not become saturated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 yes i read that but its but it can be interpreted in both ways, it isnt really nailed down in its explanation imo so how is the following picture to see? 1) 70% for all other devices, 30% reserved for gaming devices or 2) 70% reserved for gaming devices, 30% for all other devices from my experience yesterday as described above it seems to be 2) but the written text indicated towards 1) I thought whatever your bandwidth was from your isp was decreased to only 70%. For instance if your bandwidth was 100mb down/100mb up if you place the slider at 70% the your bandwidth would be throttled to 70mb down/70mb up. I think only Iain can give us a definitive answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 I thought whatever your bandwidth was from your isp was decreased to only 70%. For instance if your bandwidth was 100mb down/100mb up if you place the slider at 70% the your bandwidth would be throttled to 70mb down/70mb up. I think only Iain can give us a definitive answer. The Wiki also says that it "restricts the total amount of bandwidth that devices in your home can use". See here. I've also updated the article pollutionblues posted to clarify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollutionblues Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I thought whatever your bandwidth was from your isp was decreased to only 70%. For instance if your bandwidth was 100mb down/100mb up if you place the slider at 70% the your bandwidth would be throttled to 70mb down/70mb up. I think only Iain can give us a definitive answer. I've always thought it worked how Buck described it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 I've always thought it worked how Buck described it Yeah - as long as you entered your ISP speeds into congestion control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 When I download from Usenet using the full 70% my son who is gaming then uses the 30% that is free and his pings stay low. Fully tested and working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 It flips into the spare "share excess" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 When I download from Usenet using the full 70% my son who is gaming then uses the 30% that is free and his pings stay low. Fully tested and working. It flips into the spare "share excess" You're talking about the device prioritisation aren't you? I thought we were talking about the anti-flood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 No I don't have any devices prioritised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 When I use up the full 70% of my connection the 30% that was not in use gets used by my son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Od1n Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 ok so what of the two is it now lol When I use up the full 70% of my connection the 30% that was not in use gets used by my son The Wiki also says that it "restricts the total amount of bandwidth that devices in your home can use". See here. I've also updated the article pollutionblues posted to clarify that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 It flips into the spare "share excess" Pretty sure share excess is only for device prioritisation (as it is in that section) and therefore only works for upload anyway When I use up the full 70% of my connection the 30% that was not in use gets used by my son So you were using the full 100% of your download bandwidth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 ok so what of the two is it now lol I think it works but putting a final cap on the bandwidth. E.g you have a 10mpbs connection and enter that into congestion control, if you cap it at 70% on the anti-flood you will only be able to use 7mbps. There may be exceptions to this when the Netduma priorities gaming packets but I don't think that would be measurable if it was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I download from Usenet which means I can max my connection I set my cc to 70% which correlates to what I see in my Dl speed But my son can still stream or game even when I have maxed the 70% out Maybe I am tripping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 if I'm wrong I'll hold my palms up as I've have a few Amber nectars I've never seen the Dl speed lessen when he streams and I'm doing a 1080 p film Dl but again this could be skewed and I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Od1n Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 we need Iain or Fraser for the answer now guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 11, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 11, 2015 if I'm wrong I'll hold my palms up as I've have a few Amber nectars I've never seen the Dl speed lessen when he streams and I'm doing a 1080 p film Dl but again this could be skewed and I'm wrong It could definitely be me that is wrong, if it is then I'm sorry for shedding misinformation. What you're saying makes sense and I can't think of a reason that what your saying could happen without it using that 30% that is left over. The reason I think it wouldn't do that (or at least wouldn't use up a significant amount of that 30%) is because then the network would become saturated and there would be queuing (or at least that is what I thought). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hey I could be wrong mate I flood my connection at 70% when I Dl movies and TV shows and my lad does not blink an eye lid since I bought the Duma , It could be that it is ducking slightly below the 70 when he is on but it keeps my ping at 15ms on reactive no matter if I flood the 70% I am sure Iain will tell me I am talking out my **** but since I got the Duma I can flood the 70% with my Dl and he never bats an eyelid when In the past he would kick off saying dad I'm lagging are you dling a film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted July 12, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hey I could be wrong mate I flood my connection at 70% when I Dl movies and TV shows and my lad does not blink an eye lid since I bought the Duma , It could be that it is ducking slightly below the 70 when he is on but it keeps my ping at 15ms on reactive no matter if I flood the 70% I am sure Iain will tell me I am talking out my **** but since I got the Duma I can flood the 70% with my Dl and he never bats an eyelid when In the past he would kick off saying dad I'm lagging are you dling a film The no lag makes sense as that is what is meant to happen by setting it to 70%. But not sure how it works where it doesn't decrease the speed of the download - the only way that could happen if it was using the 30%. But if it works it works Hopefully Iain/Fraser can explain exactly how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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