tellto Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 hey guys i have time warner cable right now and the hit detection is just awful and when i run a internet diagnostics test i get an OK for ping and duma admins are telling me thats an isp problem. i pay for 300 down 21 up. i am thinking of switching to at&t uverse because verizon fios isnt available in my area. should i switch to at&t uverse because it is fiber optic? or should i stay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I've got no idea mate, I live in the UK and have never used any of those. If the fibre is to the premises then I'd go for that one I expect - when I had to change my ISP I went round to everyone in my street and I tested their connections for 10 minutes each to find the best one. A few of the lads from the US can tell you about there experiences with different ISPs but your best bet is to find someone that lives near you (really near like next door) and see how their connection performs. Connections can vary wildly from slightly different locations obviously. My friend lived about a mile from me and he used the same ISP as me, he had a great connection but mine was absolutely rubbish. Tell us which town/city you are in, then people can give you a better idea of how that ISP performs in your area... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 I've got no idea mate, I live in the UK and have never used any of those. If the fibre is to the premises then I'd go for that one I expect - when I had to change my ISP I went round to everyone in my street and I tested their connections for 10 minutes each to find the best one. A few of the lads from the US can tell you about there experiences with different ISPs but your best bet is to find someone that lives near you (really near like next door) and see how their connection performs. Connections can vary wildly from slightly different locations obviously. My friend lived about a mile from me and he used the same ISP as me, he had a great connection but mine was absolutely rubbish. Tell us which town/city you are in, then people can give you a better idea of how that ISP performs in your area... I live in Cary, North Carolina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 You're not too far from Urge I think but far enough that his connection still wouldn't really be comparable to what you can expect. I'd check with your neighbours, that worked out well for me. I don't mean turn up with your Xbox by the way, I just went round and said: "We've been having problems with our internet lately and are thinking about changing provider, who do you use?" "How do you find them, have you had any problems with it?" etc. Then I asked if I could run a test on their connection some day later in the week... All of them said yes. So I went round between 6-7pm (peak time) with my laptop and an ethernet cable (to dodge the wifi password) and ran ping plotter for 10 mins whilst talking about their dogs and shit like that. And I ran a speed test too. It took me a week to grow the balls to go round and ask though, as I don't know most of my neighbours. Hopefully you have nice neighbours. (avoid the ones that like to dress in full camo all the time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_Wildcats_Fans Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Another option (if you can afford it) is to add a DSL line that is dedicated for your gaming. Most online gaming require a very low bandwidth. You should less jitter and better response with DSL over cable. Other forum members such as Dillinger have done this and are getting good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Before there is any confusion I was commenting in the shoutbox saying that cable inherently has jitter and that fibre has low jitter if the ISP is not congested. I did not say you had a problem with your ISP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Before there is any confusion I was commenting in the shoutbox saying that cable inherently has jitter and that fibre has low jitter if the ISP is not congested. I did not say you had a problem with your ISP yeah lol i was not talking about you:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 You're not too far from Urge I think but far enough that his connection still wouldn't really be comparable to what you can expect. I'd check with your neighbours, that worked out well for me. I don't mean turn up with your Xbox by the way, I just went round and said: "We've been having problems with our internet lately and are thinking about changing provider, who do you use?" "How do you find them, have you had any problems with it?" etc. Then I asked if I could run a test on their connection some day later in the week... All of them said yes. So I went round between 6-7pm (peak time) with my laptop and an ethernet cable (to dodge the wifi password) and ran ping plotter for 10 mins whilst talking about their dogs and shit like that. And I ran a speed test too. It took me a week to grow the balls to go round and ask though, as I don't know most of my neighbours. Hopefully you have nice neighbours. (avoid the ones that like to dress in full camo all the time) yeah my friends have at&t uverse and when one of my friends got his duma, he was getting solid hit detection even though i had the same settings as his. my other friend doesnt have a duma but he has at&t uverse and his hit detection is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Jack Posted June 29, 2016 Netduma Staff Share Posted June 29, 2016 Bad hit detection could be caused by your settings too, not necessarily the cable. Have these problems only occurred since changing the cable? For your speeds, we'd recommend these settings, if someone else hasn't already recommended them: - Reactive Algorithm - 100% anti-flood - Share excess enabled - Reset device prioritisation & apply - Disable IPv6 in WAN, LAN & misc - Disable deep packet in misc - Enable turbo mode - Enable super turbo mode - Ensure the ethernet cables you're using connecting the R1 to hub & R1 to PC are Cat5e+/can handle your speeds. - Do a wired speed test from a PC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brutus209 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I have AT&T uverse, and I was having some major problems with dropped connections, jitter, and horrible hit detection. I finally had a new line and outside box installed and run straight to my router. I also had them replace my router, and everything has been working perfectly. The major problem I have with AT&T is that you don't have the ability to choose your own gateway router, you have to have an actual router from at&t and there is now a monthly rental fee. AT&T routers have no true bridge mode, so getting a consistently open NAT can be a chore. I was never able to get my netduma to work in DMZ mode even with the new line/equipment. I ended up having to open a wide range of ports to get an open NAT. Having said this, now that I have it sorted out, I have a very stable and jitter free line with an A+ Bufferbloat and A+ quality connection. I would recommend doing what ever you can with your current provider to sort out your connection before switching to AT&T. Make sure that you take into account that BLOPS 3 is a complete mess when it comes to matchmaking, hit detection, and lag compensation. Even with a great connection, someone on a 1 or 2 bar will come in and wreck the whole lobby. This game is beyond fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 I have AT&T uverse, and I was having some major problems with dropped connections, jitter, and horrible hit detection. I finally had a new line and outside box installed and run straight to my router. I also had them replace my router, and everything has been working perfectly. The major problem I have with AT&T is that you don't have the ability to choose your own gateway router, you have to have an actual router from at&t and there is now a monthly rental fee. AT&T routers have no true bridge mode, so getting a consistently open NAT can be a chore. I was never able to get my netduma to work in DMZ mode even with the new line/equipment. I ended up having to open a wide range of ports to get an open NAT. Having said this, now that I have it sorted out, I have a very stable and jitter free line with an A+ Bufferbloat and A+ quality connection. I would recommend doing what ever you can with your current provider to sort out your connection before switching to AT&T. Make sure that you take into account that BLOPS 3 is a complete mess when it comes to matchmaking, hit detection, and lag compensation. Even with a great connection, someone on a 1 or 2 bar will come in and wreck the whole lobby. This game is beyond fucked up. so u had horrible hit detection with at&t? do u recommend it over twc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 Bad hit detection could be caused by your settings too, not necessarily the cable. Have these problems only occurred since changing the cable? For your speeds, we'd recommend these settings, if someone else hasn't already recommended them: - Reactive Algorithm - 100% anti-flood - Share excess enabled - Reset device prioritisation & apply - Disable IPv6 in WAN, LAN & misc - Disable deep packet in misc - Enable turbo mode - Enable super turbo mode - Ensure the ethernet cables you're using connecting the R1 to hub & R1 to PC are Cat5e+/can handle your speeds. - Do a wired speed test from a PC these problems have been occuring with time warner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brutus209 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 so u had horrible hit detection with at&t? do u recommend it over twc? I did have really poor hit detection, and to be honest I still sometimes do, but I have ruled out everything humanly possible on my end. Now I have to attribute most issues to BO3 just being a poor game with horrendous lag comp and matchmaking. My problems were mainly due to my line into my house, from the box outside it went into the house and split off in all directions, and somewhere along the line is where my router was plugged in. My home is wired for 5 or six seperate phones throughout the house, and the wiring is at least 35 years old. We currently only use cell service, and don't have a land line any more, so I had AT&T put in a service box on the house with a line in from the street, and a cat5 from the service box directly to my router location. Right now my connection is really good I have 18 down and 1 up consistently with little to no jitter. TWC is not available in my area, but I was going to switch from ATT to Comcast a few months or so ago, and decided that I would try and sort things out on my end before jumping into another service with potentially unknown issues. Ill tell you it was a chore, I went through hours of tech support with AT&T morons and 3 different routers to get to where I am now. As far as gaming goes, I only play COD, I'm 37 years old and don't have a ton of time to spend on games, but when I do play I don't want to be throwing my controller through the TV, so to me it was worth spending the extra time in getting a decent stable connection. One thing I will say for sure though, AT&T Uverse routers are complete trash, and you are 100% stuck with them, the new pace router I got is the size of an xbox 360, and has little to no features. Its a total piece of shit, and cannot be truly bridged. I have been told that cable internet is a poor choice for gaming, but I have no personal evidence to support that claim. My son has friends with comcast who say they don't lag, so who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brutus209 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 If you do end up going with AT&T hit me up if you have trouble getting an open NAT type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 I switched to a dedicated gaming line with AT&T and couldn't be happier,that being said I only have my PS4 and laptop for the duma on that line.The rest of the house is on Charter cable,fine for everything else but gaming. You can try them both out as you get a 30 day trial before your locked in to anything,so if it was me I'd give AT&T a try and see what you think.Run lots of ping plotter at peak times to check for jitter and see what you come up with,that's what I did before I decided to sign a contract with them. And my line stability is night and day difference,as ping plotter doesn't lie,and thanks to Yoda Z for the help along the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Jack Posted June 30, 2016 Netduma Staff Share Posted June 30, 2016 It seems like you've got some great advice about your cable; do you still require assistance? And did you notice any differences upon implementing those settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 If you do end up going with AT&T hit me up if you have trouble getting an open NAT type. ok thanks so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 It seems like you've got some great advice about your cable; do you still require assistance? And did you notice any differences upon implementing those settings? i still need to try these settings u suggested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellto Posted June 30, 2016 Author Share Posted June 30, 2016 I switched to a dedicated gaming line with AT&T and couldn't be happier,that being said I only have my PS4 and laptop for the duma on that line.The rest of the house is on Charter cable,fine for everything else but gaming. You can try them both out as you get a 30 day trial before your locked in to anything,so if it was me I'd give AT&T a try and see what you think.Run lots of ping plotter at peak times to check for jitter and see what you come up with,that's what I did before I decided to sign a contract with them. And my line stability is night and day difference,as ping plotter doesn't lie,and thanks to Yoda Z for the help along the way... ok thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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