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If it’s your base ping that’s fluctuates then that’s down to your isp/line as a router has virtually no effect on this.

MU Mimo is only useful for clients that support it and you need at least 2 and to be within a fairly close proximity. 2.4Ghz is used mainly by IoT and these devices are normally WiFi 4 and so OFDMA has no effect on them. Some tend to isolate their IoT due to security as they are often left behind by security updates once they reach point of end of support while some get none. Latency will be higher and throughput will be slower. Add into it the streams and client wait time. I believe you are at max or round about for the Quest wireless connection. love my Quest 2, not bad tech for the price.

I believe it’s a known bug.

What was the device? NG logs can be shall we say not that reliable and it may have an error interpreting the information from the client.

Yep they don’t support 160Mhz, they will connect at 80Mhz as will any other client that does not support 160Mhz but some clients have issues when set to 160Mhz and very few clients support it. only the 6E devices will support 160Mhz which is the new iPad Pro. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep268652e6c/web

No, it’s a different CPU, the AL324 is not the AL314 used in the NG routers. One is 32bit the other is 64 ( have a guess which) and one is overlocked to achieve 1.7. 64 bit has more processing power and more ram access which some routers require for logging ie creating graphics for log in. The XR700 CPU is dated now.

And we are off! WiFi 7 launches this year looking at CES. Asus offering one on the 6Ghz band at 11525 and 10Gb ports. 46Gbs theoretical over all bands total. MSI have a wired looking one as does TP link. I bet Samsung release the first client and I’m hoping that we see a VR unit that will support it but it’s draft again. Begs the question, will we see the standard quicker this time round as WiFi 6 was hit by the Covid pandemic.

Yes WiFi 6E uses the 6Ghz upto 160Mhz and no issues with DFS unlike the 5Ghz where 160Mhz depending on country uses the DFS channels which is a problem as it has background resources working away and you lose 160Mhz if radar is detected as it has to move off DFS for a set amount of time. As that happens the router communicates to clients a change is needed then drops down. Not all DFS events are positive though so false detection can be an issue. WiFI 6 uses both 2.4 and 5Ghz and has a set of standards but not all routers or APs support the full feature set ie. Some 2.4Ghz don’t support WiFi 6 on some models, others are draft and so on. Its real use of WiFi 6 is for condensed areas where it benefits but it does offer better latency depending on client and setup. With 160Mhz the client must be compatible so your card is where as my iPad or iPhone can only do 80Mhz. The next issue for gaming is depending on the hardware it’s a waiting game for clients to connect. If you have a 2x2 5Ghz stream then it’s 1, 2x2 client at a time, a 4x4 would be 2 clients who are 2x2 or 4, 1x1. If the client is 3x3 then its max is 2 as a 1x1 client can also connect. When say you have 20 clients on say a single AP then latency increases as they all have to wait in turn and if one or more clients have errors in transmission then that adds more latency. Add into it the bandwidth a client needs ie.VR then that eats resources other clients need and you have issues. plus to obtain max throughput the client to achieve max QAM must be close which also applies to Mu Mimo clients and there you need 2 or more compatible clients to see any benefit. In condensed areas the noise limits the performance of 5Ghz at 160Mhz so you might end up with retransmissions even though the client shows a good connection rate. Same applies to 80 on 5Ghz so some use lower transmit power and a narrow channel ie.40Mhz on 5Ghz where neighbouring interference is an issue. on average I get around 2 to 3% retries on my iPad for example which indicates that it’s roaming at those points as I can see under the UI plus I’ve mapped out my property to keep the signal as close to optimum as possible for my clients vs APs. Retries can also happen if a client is close to the router or AP where the signal is too strong and errors occur. It’s just finding the balance of coverage vs interference and number of clients vs APs. The More APs then channel selection and interference can be an issue has you have to select different channels and watch the coverage vs transmit power or else you create more noise. That’s the weak point for mesh systems that offer basic controls for example as they tend to operate all on the same channels unless they are more aimed at the higher end of the market with a good control system built in.

Sadly I don’t use a PC so I’ve no experience with that card or setup. I looked it up and I can’t see where it supports 6E, just WiFi6 by the looks of it. https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/sku/130293/intel-wifi-6-ax201-gig/specifications.html

U.K. jolly expensive round my neck of the woods as I live in one of the most expensive areas in the U.K. I think the local town came out as the most expensive place in the U.K. Ridiculous prices and full of bankers and financial types.

True draft WiFi 7 will take a while but draft 3 WiFi 6 routers did well and they appeared in 2019. Yes 6E is limited on a gig connection but 6E was designed not only to increase throughput but lower levels of interference and lower latency so a VR for example matched to a PC with a compatible card gives you freedom of an open environment rather than having wires suspended from the ceiling. 6E can handle more clients too due to the increase in throughput. Yes you could say that the AP needs to match that but 6E has far more usage than just throughput. 6E will be very useful for high density environments and that’s really what it’s about. Unfortunately most tend to think it’s all about speed but it’s not. It’s why 2.4Ghz and even 5Ghz suffer, more so because end users use max output in the belief it’s best when in fact the noise level increases and a client see a strong signal but has poor communication which is why it’s never a good idea to run at max transmit unless the environment suits it. You would need to check the throughput of the switch to its outputs. As we know most switch’s don’t always share the full input to output, That bumps the price up and I would prefer a managed switch with a lot more than 10Gb internal movement and have a good degree of control. Layer 3 at least. Mine is with 4 10g sfp ports with 320Gbs switch capacity coupled with 48 port max 2.5Gb which is where my APs are connected too. Unfortunately the routers switches are limited to 1Gb but it has a 10g sfp port which is connected to the switch. But once again a normal house hold will see no difference and a gamer even less. I think it’s around £500 a month here for the big package.

VR to start with and multiple clients that use high resources. People think that if one device gets say 500 that’s great but I can swallow that up with VR. The days of cable are fast disappearing and as we head towards WiFi 7 while it will limit coverage on a single router due to the increase in frequency the latency will be very low. 6Ghz already helps with lower latency and less noise and is more than a match for cable on a one client connection at max QAM. I’ve not gamed on cable for ages but I have a fairly complex system with multiple APs running at correct outputs so clients are dedicated to various APs at low noise levels. Like most things tech moves forward, people use more smart devices, automation starts to increase, client devices increase, an ever evolving eco system that relies on wireless technology. it’s why Companies like Ruckus, Cisco, Netgear, Unifi, Asus, Juniper and all the rest invest heavily and why Mikrotek, Broadcom, intel and Qualcomm invest millions into research to increase the productivity of wireless technology to these companies. so an 8Gb connection might be great for a company who has servers or has a large client base on WiFi where they need that to handle the load like at an Apple conference (will have far more spread out on various outlet platforms to handle client base)or university but a house hold property gains nothing and even more so for gamers who use a small amount of data to game on say COD and at that point no one is going to be using a simple router to handle networks that might have dozens of APs around a site. Hell I can get 10Gb with Swiss here if I want to pay the obscene amount and that’s up and down but it’s pointless as I would need to spend a good couple of grand on switches and APs which are simply not needed for my use. One of the APs I have can handle 600 clients and that’s a total over kill but it covers the 6E and I need that as it’s compatible with the rest of my system. crunk asked and that’s the honest truth, a gig is plenty for households, pair with a good system and it covers your needs easily. Downloading from a single source that does not limit is not a good example of its use.

No, it’s great if you host servers but for general use with a property with APs the best on Wireless side is a 2.5 connection and then the rest is a rack system and switches which will be expensive and you are still limited on the WiFi side.

How are the extenders connected? if wired I can’t see and issue.

Merry Christmas, hope everyone has a wonderful time.

There was a version knocking about which was condemned on another forum. Hopefully you have an old beta one but if not I would strongly recommend you get it back to the NG firmware as it was not a trusted version.

Sounds like it’s hardware. Seen it before where the WiFi dies on the R9000 which is what the XR700 is based on and I’ve seen users trying all sorts from installing third party firmware to erasing the NG info. Unfortunately the WiFi is probably dead and no firmware will help. Sounds like corruption in memory if you can’t log in which can happen or there’s a hardware issue which is where some attempt to install above or wipe the NG code section. There are forums that run through deleting and installing firmware but it’s not supported here and with 99% of time it never fixes the issue. personally I would think it’s time to replace the router sadly. Yes I know it’s only 2 years old, here in the U.K. you could argue the fact that it’s life expectancy was below what’s expected but even then as it’s no longer produced you might not get a replacement of the same model.

Move house closer to cabinet. Not sure on how you could move property but that would work !

There’s no easy question about latency and QoS. I know what you mean but it’s hardware fighting software. If you say have a 8x8 router and a 2x2 router and had 3 2x2 clients then the 8x8 router would handle them better on the WiFi as they can talk all at once where they are queuing on the 2x2 router and no QoS can solve that latency. It’s the downside to WiFi. add into the mix hardwired, coding and hardware then you can start to see why its not a simple answer. ideally you want less resources used but as we know that’s not always possible. It’s why there is no holy grail of routers. it’s why some go pfsense to have the options of security, hardware and can install various applications like different QoS but in general that might be a tad too much for a gamer who wants a simple setup and is not wanting to learn in depth about networking.

Base ping is what it is be it 1 client or 100 clients. It’s the latency from your peering contract connection which is why some isps offer better connections depending on your area and what’s available. It’s hard when you talk about latency on a network, you have clients dating right back to WiFi 4,5 and 6. Clients, their chipsets and the routers hardware all impact it which is why networking is never bog standard. there’s room for all type of routers, would be a boring world if they were all square. Yes Asus services do gather data but it’s not unusual to see data collection from the likes of your isp and so on but it depends on what you are happy with. Most third party security systems probably collect the info. On the more sophisticated routers you can block access to services, might impact the quality of service though. I use an IPS/IDS and what is called a honeypot which is in simple terms a fake device that is open to scans internally. I did have a nasty on a shield tv box and I caught it looking at my network and trying to send out. its like opening ports, most leave them open but good practise is to close them after use, DMZ same thing or to have IoT isolated via Vlan. Everything depends on how secure you want your network or what you want. The way I look at Duma is it’s firstly made for gamers, it ticks the boxes for what a gamer may want. Cisco are for business that want security and great customer service at a price, Unifi for those on a licence free budget with no support. Netgear is simple firmware, Asus that bit more control in the UI and the list goes on. I suppose you could bling the router yourself, bit like the Astro headsets so you could customise it and might be something to look at. Would love different themes in the UI so you could alter how to info is shown. Notifications of issues would be nice with custom rules would also be nice.

Looks awful, the Alien looks much better if only it did not have that old chipset inside. regarding the ping latency, I’m guessing Killhippie meant your base ping which is what you are stuck on. Routers tend to control your home environment with the exception of the geo filter in Duma but in general your base ping is limited to your connection. personally I would prefer a pretty basic router styling but have a UI or even a mobile app that is fully functional like the Unifi pro consumer units. There’s no doubt flashy bling may sell but it’s what’s underneath that counts.

I’ve no idea how they all tend to work. Unifi have a service but it’s not available over here. I’m thinking I may just end up using a mobile rather than worrying about voip. I can use my echo devices to call most people

Some router companies offer Voip, do you think we could talk Netduma into it 😊

Good old BT. if you are not looking for a paid voip service then the simple Amazon echos would work. I’ve use them but it’s just for basic use so no message system and so on. like you we have just had the old cables installed so it’s something I need to look into as well when I move over.

No it’s fine, it holds the firmware but clears memory so you are all good.