Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Hello again guys. I was asked by Netduma to post in here for help optimising my settings. Warzone is still pretty much impossible to play still, despite having Geo-Filter on. I'm getting into Dedicated UK servers with 15-25 ping in game, and 7-20 ping in Geo-filter. I am getting smashed to bits by people that I myself should be putting down way before their hits kill me. Its like they manage to hit me with 10-15 hits instantly. When i watch the kill-cam footage, they where shooting a good second or so before I saw them shooting in-game. I can get some footage, but I wouldn't want my recording to be a factor of the delay either, so hopefully you can relate to my description. I hear that people notice a huge difference in their game experience using the R2, but personally, I see no difference from my Plusnet hub. TiA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 19, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2020 What is the exact setup you're using now - you're using the Plusnet hub so have you put the R2 in its DMZ? Do you still have devices connected to the Plusnet? What are your QoS settings? Have you used Connection Benchmark and QoS together to lower your ping under load as much as you can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 No, I am only using the R2 with the Vigor-130 in bridge mode. i was only saying that with the R2, it seems no different than just using the Plusnet router. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
progprogprog Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Satan1976 said: Its like they manage to hit me with 10-15 hits instantly. When i watch the kill-cam footage, they where shooting a good second or so before I saw them shooting in-game. I can get some footage, but I wouldn't want my recording to be a factor of the delay either, so hopefully you can relate to my description. I know the super bullet feeling very well as I was experiencing it last night also! Try forcing Germany servers as I found it was more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
progprogprog Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Satan1976 said: I'm getting into Dedicated UK servers with 15-25 ping in game, and 7-20 ping in Geo-filter. I am getting Also if your getting this amount of variation in ping reading it sounds like it not always on the same server? Find your lowest ping using ping heat map.(warzone) Set ping assist to say e.g 15 Boot game with geo enabled Hope it helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, progprogprog said: Also if your getting this amount of variation in ping reading it sounds like it not always on the same server? Find your lowest ping using ping heat map.(warzone) Set ping assist to say e.g 15 Boot game with geo enabled Hope it helps How do you manage to only connect to one dedicated server? I can only find two dedicated servers in the uk that are about 9 & 15ms. These are located on the south coast in ping heat map. But when connecting on Geo-Filter, not only are the servers in a completely different location, I get multiple dedicated server id’s (logical really as the servers run many games at once) I deny every peer that the game connects to. I’m not sure if that the right way about it, but I don’t want to play on a peer hosted game. And I have my ping assist on zero. What benefit does having the ping assist on 15 actually have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said: What is the exact setup you're using now - you're using the Plusnet hub so have you put the R2 in its DMZ? Do you still have devices connected to the Plusnet? What are your QoS settings? Have you used Connection Benchmark and QoS together to lower your ping under load as much as you can? How do you do the later with benchmark and QOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
progprogprog Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Satan1976 said: How do you manage to only connect to one dedicated server? I can only find two dedicated servers in the uk that are about 9 & 15ms. These are located on the south coast in ping heat map. But when connecting on Geo-Filter, not only are the servers in a completely different location, I get multiple dedicated server id’s (logical really as the servers run many games at once) Sorry I didn't mean the same identical server. I just mean where the ping stays the same e.g on pc it shows the ping reading at the top of the screen so I can see that if I'm in uk my ping will say 35 where as if it is france it will be 39 My jitter on adsl is very low so it stays on 35 through out the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 19, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Satan1976 said: How do you manage to only connect to one dedicated server? I can only find two dedicated servers in the uk that are about 9 & 15ms. These are located on the south coast in ping heat map. But when connecting on Geo-Filter, not only are the servers in a completely different location, I get multiple dedicated server id’s (logical really as the servers run many games at once) I deny every peer that the game connects to. I’m not sure if that the right way about it, but I don’t want to play on a peer hosted game. 7 minutes ago, Satan1976 said: How do you do the later with benchmark and QOS? You can move your home location/radius to place it over servers you would like to connect to. When you boot the game up for the first time it will show you where the servers are. You can also use the Polygon to draw a custom radius over the area you want. No I wouldn't recommend denying that way as the radius does that, also the game primarily uses servers. Do a normal connection benchmark with no QoS being used. Then use Auto Setup option for Congestion and apply the settings (if they're not too extreme) and do another benchmark test and see what the ping under load shows. You want to get it as low as possible. If needed manually adjust the Congestion Control sliders and keep experimenting until you find the percentages that lower this the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CableGames22 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Satan1976 said: Hello again guys. I was asked by Netduma to post in here for help optimising my settings. Warzone is still pretty much impossible to play still, despite having Geo-Filter on. I'm getting into Dedicated UK servers with 15-25 ping in game, and 7-20 ping in Geo-filter. I am getting smashed to bits by people that I myself should be putting down way before their hits kill me. Its like they manage to hit me with 10-15 hits instantly. When i watch the kill-cam footage, they where shooting a good second or so before I saw them shooting in-game. I can get some footage, but I wouldn't want my recording to be a factor of the delay either, so hopefully you can relate to my description. I hear that people notice a huge difference in their game experience using the R2, but personally, I see no difference from my Plusnet hub. TiA Hey put up the footage the issue you are complaining about i think it is COD over all. could be skilled based matchmaking could be your isp connection. Question do you have a fiber connection low pings to speed test sites near you? Even though this really does not indicate much but just curious is all? I do see some people on you tube that have R2 with 3.0 have praise for it but i also see many on OS 2.0 that have no issues when it comes to hit detection in cod also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 1. I get white heads and servers outside my radius or polygon area. 2. when I test in heat map, the servers are in a different location to the servers when I join in game. 3. If I’m only using my PC on the network, how does the benchmarking improve the ping? 14 hours ago, CableGames22 said: Hey put up the footage the issue you are complaining about i think it is COD over all. could be skilled based matchmaking could be your isp connection. Question do you have a fiber connection low pings to speed test sites near you? Even though this really does not indicate much but just curious is all? I do see some people on you tube that have R2 with 3.0 have praise for it but i also see many on OS 2.0 that have no issues when it comes to hit detection in cod also.. Why would skill based match making cause latency in hit detection? from what I’ve read, the tick rate being as low as 20 makes Warzone such a bad experience. Which is what I believe is causing the bullets to all hit me at once. Most games require a 60 and higher tick rate. If the server only updates data 20 times a second, compared to 60, the bullet impact does the same. I have fibre to cabinet, 45mb down and 15mb up. Ping to local speedtest is 5-9ms 15 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: You can move your home location/radius to place it over servers you would like to connect to. When you boot the game up for the first time it will show you where the servers are. You can also use the Polygon to draw a custom radius over the area you want. No I wouldn't recommend denying that way as the radius does that, also the game primarily uses servers. Do a normal connection benchmark with no QoS being used. Then use Auto Setup option for Congestion and apply the settings (if they're not too extreme) and do another benchmark test and see what the ping under load shows. You want to get it as low as possible. If needed manually adjust the Congestion Control sliders and keep experimenting until you find the percentages that lower this the most. So when the game connects to a PEER, you still get the same quality of connection compared to a dedicated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CableGames22 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Satan1976 said: Why would skill based match making cause latency in hit detection? from what I’ve read, the tick rate being as low as 20 makes Warzone such a bad experience. Which is what I believe is causing the bullets to all hit me at once. Most games require a 60 and higher tick rate. If the server only updates data 20 times a second, compared to 60, the bullet impact does the same. How good or bad are you at the game? Did you first start out doing well now your doing bad over the months patch after patch from cod? what is your Kill death ratio like. the tick rate when i play spikes up n down when i play. Sometimes goes over 60 then goes 58 54 60 while in a match but i have never seen it go that low in TDM or KC to 20. 14 hours ago, Satan1976 said: So when the game connects to a PEER, you still get the same quality of connection compared to a dedicated? some yes but in the first three 1 on 1 gun fight encounters i pretty much know if it is a good peer or not by what your describing, by you shoot first and your opponent does not die and you land all your shots.. well that land all your shots is what you see on your end but not sure what the mechanics of the connection between the consoles or pc's are actually doing for your opponent," Do you or anyone know what's going on when this happens?"..Or not only that could the game have something built in to let people with less skill have a fighting can against you if your a good player. I don't know just giving you something to think about is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, CableGames22 said: How good or bad are you at the game? Did you first start out doing well now your doing bad over the months patch after patch from cod? what is your Kill death ratio like. the tick rate when i play spikes up n down when i play. Sometimes goes over 60 then goes 58 54 60 while in a match but i have never seen it go that low in TDM or KC to 20. Warzone has a 20 tick rate. MP is higher. Custom game tournaments has to change it for quality purposes because the competitors complained that 20 was too low for prize competitions. I have been playing FPS since the first ghost recon was released on PC, and played in the igs league. So I’m good enough to realise when it’s not my skill level that’s letting me down. min multiplayer I consistently hit over 2.0kd (unless I have a really bad game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CableGames22 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Satan1976 said: Warzone has a 20 tick rate. MP is higher. Custom game tournaments has to change it for quality purposes because the competitors complained that 20 was too low for prize competitions. I have been playing FPS since the first ghost recon was released on PC, and played in the ifs league. So I’m good enough to realise when it’s not my skill level that’s letting me down. min multiplayer I consistently hit over 2.0kd (unless I have a really bad game) no no my friend i'm not saying your skill level is letting you down. Could it be your skill level is getting nurfed by skill based match making because your to good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, CableGames22 said: no no my friend i'm not saying your skill level is letting you down. Could it be your skill level is getting nurfed by skill based match making because your to good? Why would it nurf me slower that everyone else I meet in Warzone? That isn’t a thing..... is it? And if so, why do streamers not experience the same if not worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CableGames22 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Satan1976 said: Why would it nurf me slower that everyone else I meet in Warzone? That isn’t a thing..... is it? And if so, why do streamers not experience the same if not worse? Maybe, not saying this is the case but maybe so that the people your playing against," less skilled players" have a great experience and your not just mowing them down all the time maybe? maybe not? Dunno buddy but if you have a 2.0 kd your gaming experience should be fine i would imagine. At any rate good luck.. you have the best router out there for getting you the closet servers to you of your choice, you for sure should not be having issues with hit detection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnytran Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Satan1976 said: I deny every peer that the game connects to. I’m not sure if that the right way about it, but I don’t want to play on a peer hosted game. I wouldn't do this. In regular multiplayer I always get connected to a server but over 90% of the time it's listed as "peer" on the R2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Satan1976 said: 1. I get white heads and servers outside my radius or polygon area. 2. when I test in heat map, the servers are in a different location to the servers when I join in game. 3. If I’m only using my PC on the network, how does the benchmarking improve the ping? So when the game connects to a PEER, you still get the same quality of connection compared to a dedicated? Could you provide a screenshot of the entire Geo-Filter please of what you're seeing when you're in a game please? Devices, including the PC can do background updates which can still affect your connection. So would definitely be a good idea to optimize that. What I mean is that if the Geo-Filter shows a peer it is most likely misclassified and is actually a server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 18 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: You can move your home location/radius to place it over servers you would like to connect to. When you boot the game up for the first time it will show you where the servers are. You can also use the Polygon to draw a custom radius over the area you want. No I wouldn't recommend denying that way as the radius does that, also the game primarily uses servers. Do a normal connection benchmark with no QoS being used. Then use Auto Setup option for Congestion and apply the settings (if they're not too extreme) and do another benchmark test and see what the ping under load shows. You want to get it as low as possible. If needed manually adjust the Congestion Control sliders and keep experimenting until you find the percentages that lower this the most. I have drawn a polygon around the two location that the game activated as my nearest servers. I did the two tests as you requested and have posted the two results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: Could you provide a screenshot of the entire Geo-Filter please of what you're seeing when you're in a game please? Devices, including the PC can do background updates which can still affect your connection. So would definitely be a good idea to optimize that. What I mean is that if the Geo-Filter shows a peer it is most likely misclassified and is actually a server. The tick rate of 46 is the warm up of Warzone, then once the game starts it settles at the 21. Im not sure what that allowed server is doing on the 3rd SS either lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2020 Ping under load is good so keep it on those settings. 8ms is really the best you could possible get so don't mess with that either. That is a player you've denied so you won't be connecting to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 So your saying that the server over in Poland is a player not an allowed server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2020 Ah sorry I was looking at the yellow icon. The white one in Poland will be a whitelisted authentication server required for online play - it does not affect your game ping at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan1976 Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 This would have been nice to be made aware of. It must be confusing many people. Do you have any plans on uploading an official video explaining all the features and settings of the 3.0 FW? I get into a great game and this happens. HOW FRUSTRATING! His next kill at 42s is even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 20, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, Satan1976 said: This would have been nice to be made aware of. It must be confusing many people. Do you have any plans on uploading an official video explaining all the features and settings of the 3.0 FW? I get into a great game and this happens. HOW FRUSTRATING! His next kill at 42s is even better We will likely make some videos for 3.0 once everyone is able to use it yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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