CrossFitKila717 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Hey all, will someone please share their expertise on Prioritization using the “flower petals”??? It seems like such a guessing game. And how will I know if it’s right? I have Spectrum 200 / 10 cable, and at most my wife streams Netflix while I game. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I always leave my distribution equal and balanced it seems to do a good job that way. Make sure share excess is selected and click reset distribution and update distribution in that order. Do this for Upload and Download because they are independent of each other. Run it as above first and if it seems certain devices need more bandwidth (i.e. stuttering, skipping, buffering) then give the device more bandwidth by increasing the percentage on the flower then click update distribution only. Do this for upload and download both if you require it. Always click update distribution after making any adjustments. Just a little added information: share excess allows the router to allocate bandwidth back to devices that need it if the device you have assigned more bandwidth does not require it anymore. Here is a link to the wiki with more information. It is more of a trial and error thing. Everyone's network if different. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 hours ago, PharmDawgg said: I always leave my distribution equal and balanced it seems to do a good job that way. Make sure share excess is selected and click reset distribution and update distribution in that order. Do this for Upload and Download because they are independent of each other. Run it as above first and if it seems certain devices need more bandwidth (i.e. stuttering, skipping, buffering) then give the device more bandwidth by increasing the percentage on the flower then click update distribution only. Do this for upload and download both if you require it. Always click update distribution after making any adjustments. Just a little added information: share excess allows the router to allocate bandwidth back to devices that need it if the device you have assigned more bandwidth does not require it anymore. Here is a link to the wiki with more information. It is more of a trial and error thing. Everyone's network if different. Hope this helps. AWESOME! Thank you so much for taking the time to help. So let’s say it’s all equal distribution which is where I usually keep it, and I feel a step behind and my wife is streaming Netflix.........I would want to drag the petal and add more bandwidth to her device, that’s taking up more bandwidth, leaving mine with a tad less? I know upload is more important for games so would I touch upload or just mess with download......since I’m assuming streaming is all download? This is where I get a little confused & overwhelmed at times.....how do I know it’s the petals that need adjusting and not my sliders? They seem to kinda serve the same purpose or no? Thanks again for all your help! Much needed. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2019 Anti-Bufferbloat is to prevent congestion across all devices. Bandwidth Allocation is to ensure each device has the bandwidth it needs for the task at hand. For your particular situation, assuming share excess is enabled for both download/upload under Bandwidth Allocation then the devices are getting enough bandwidth. The issue you're having is your game packets are like getting queued behind Netflix which is causing you some problems. So to fix that I would first ensure that you have Traffic Prioritization enabled for your device. Then ensure you have Anti-Bufferbloat active set to 'Always' or 'W..H..P..T..D..' say on 70% or whatever it is that you may have found works best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Anti-Bufferbloat is to prevent congestion across all devices. Bandwidth Allocation is to ensure each device has the bandwidth it needs for the task at hand. For your particular situation, assuming share excess is enabled for both download/upload under Bandwidth Allocation then the devices are getting enough bandwidth. The issue you're having is your game packets are like getting queued behind Netflix which is causing you some problems. So to fix that I would first ensure that you have Traffic Prioritization enabled for your device. Then ensure you have Anti-Bufferbloat active set to 'Always' or 'W..H..P..T..D..' say on 70% or whatever it is that you may have found works best for you. Yes, Share Excess is enabled. What I think I missed, was not “finishing” the traffic Prioritization sequence.....I added my device manually but never noticed that I had to add the ports under the advanced section. I have my ports forwarded under UPNP / Port Forward section but never for the “Add Device” section. I’m assuming I need to do both separately, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2019 If you're prioritizing a console manually using Traffic Prioritization then you can just use the 'console' service, you do not need to add ports manually. This would mostly be for a PC for example where you know the exact ports the game is using and there isn't a service for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 19 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: If you're prioritizing a console manually using Traffic Prioritization then you can just use the 'console' service, you do not need to add ports manually. This would mostly be for a PC for example where you know the exact ports the game is using and there isn't a service for it. It doesn’t negatively impact anything if I manually add all the ports right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 That is perfectly fine if you prefer to do it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, PharmDawgg said: That is perfectly fine if you prefer to do it that way. Awesome, thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just make sure you get the ports right otherwise it won't prioritize the game/console correctly. Leave the source ports as they are, just change the destination ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Just make sure you get the ports right otherwise it won't prioritize the game/console correctly. Leave the source ports as they are, just change the destination ports. I added all the ports individually just the same as I did under port forwarding......source ports along with destination ports.....is this wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 24, 2019 You can try it that way but I don't think that will work correctly/optimally. Best to leave the source ports with the range that it has by default. For console it's much easier to use the console service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: You can try it that way but I don't think that will work correctly/optimally. Best to leave the source ports with the range that it has by default. For console it's much easier to use the console service. Could you please explain what correctly/optimally is? What should I be looking for to know good or bad? So I should leave “source” default, which was something like 1-6,000ish, then just manually add all destination ports individually as shown in pic? What’s the difference between manually adding, using the Advanced option as I have done versus Games Console? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted July 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 24, 2019 35 minutes ago, CrossFitKila717 said: Could you please explain what correctly/optimally is? What should I be looking for to know good or bad? So I should leave “source” default, which was something like 1-6,000ish, then just manually add all destination ports individually as shown in pic? What’s the difference between manually adding, using the Advanced option as I have done versus Games Console? You don't always know the source port that traffic is coming in on so you might be correct in that it comes from that port but it might not all the time or for all the entries. If it doesn't then you're not prioritizing that traffic so you could get spikes/jitter etc. Yes you should leave source as default unless you know specifically what the are. By default it is 1-65535. Yes exactly what you would do. There is no difference in performance between the two, both will do the same job (assuming you get the port entries correct) so really one is quick to do and the other is longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: You don't always know the source port that traffic is coming in on so you might be correct in that it comes from that port but it might not all the time or for all the entries. If it doesn't then you're not prioritizing that traffic so you could get spikes/jitter etc. Yes you should leave source as default unless you know specifically what the are. By default it is 1-65535. Yes exactly what you would do. There is no difference in performance between the two, both will do the same job (assuming you get the port entries correct) so really one is quick to do and the other is longer. Great! Thank you so much for the informative answer. So, I’ll use the default source (1-65535) and I’ll keep the destination ports manually added (TCP: 53, 80, 3074) (UDP: 53, 88, 500, 3074, 3075, 3076, 3544, 4500). This should be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Alex Posted July 25, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 25, 2019 Yes indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 17 hours ago, Netduma Alex said: Yes indeed Forgot to ask........under “port forwarding” in “network settings”, am I also supposed to set the source to 1-65535, or will source be the actual ports I’m using as well as destination.....for example, 53 for both source & destination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Alex Posted July 26, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 26, 2019 I would set the same ports for source and destination. Setting source to cover every port it good for Traffic Prio but i've always used the specific ports for Port Forwarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossFitKila717 Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Netduma Alex said: I would set the same ports for source and destination. Setting source to cover every port it good for Traffic Prio but i've always used the specific ports for Port Forwarding. Perfect! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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