Areuz Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 After having my Duma for a week now I have decided to look for some help or suggestions on the settings. I know I need to do testing on my own but I am looking for maybe some quick answers or suggestions. Setup: 250 Mbps up/down GPON FTTH. ONT bridged < Duma < Wired PC and PS4 < Nighthawk in AP mode for WiFi. I am playing MWR PS4. I have learned the ins and outs of the router now and I understand what things do but I am looking for the optimal settings for playing UMGs/GBs. I have Turbo mode on, reactive algorithm. I use Geo-filter for public matches and it is usually pretty good. I know that Geo-Filter isn't used for UMG/GB since the opponents are predetermined on the site. The congestion control is the biggest thing for optimizing my connection and I have tried different numbers for the upload and download as well as using Hyper Traffic. My connection is good enough to get A+ on all dslreports tests at 95% to below 10%. I know the recommended congestion control is 70%/70% but is there a method of testing I should do or a good number as a suggestion? I have noticed if I have the CC at the same percentage my upload will be about 5-10 Mbps higher than my download. Also what should I do for priority to my console and/or other devices? Share access? What does Hyper-Traffic PlayStation Network include? Should I make a manual one for port 3074 for CoD? Is there any other settings I could change to make performance better? I tested my connection last night with the PS4 directly connected to the internet (Nat type 1) and the games played amazing so it seems the router(s) are causing some sort of issues. I have had success with the Nighthawk QoS before (R7000) and was wondering how I should set up the Duma to be getting similar results? Should I do a pingplotter for a few hours and post a screenshot? I know MWR has terrible netcode (10 updates per second) which can make the game feel delayed just from it's netcode. I'm excited for the DumaOS update and the possibilities of making my connection even better. If you have any other questions to diagnose my connection or other issues just ask. Thanks for any help in advance. EDIT: http://imgur.com/a/2PoY0 Pingplotter to akamai.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBH Slot3000 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 good speeds bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 28, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 28, 2017 You could test the different %'s and download at the same time seeing which stabilises ping better but as you said I would recommend 70/70. Could leave device prioritisation equal considering you have a lot of bandwidth that can be shared and gaming doesn't use much so would keep share excess enabled Playstation service includes that port so no need to do port specific hyper traffic. in terms of GB there isn't anything else I could specifically recommend in order to improve your connection. The router wouldn't be hindering your connection at all. That plot is pretty bad, was that direct to the ONT? Were you downloading at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 You could test the different %'s and download at the same time seeing which stabilises ping better but as you said I would recommend 70/70. Could leave device prioritisation equal considering you have a lot of bandwidth that can be shared and gaming doesn't use much so would keep share excess enabled Playstation service includes that port so no need to do port specific hyper traffic. in terms of GB there isn't anything else I could specifically recommend in order to improve your connection. The router wouldn't be hindering your connection at all. That plot is pretty bad, was that direct to the ONT? Were you downloading at the time? I did that plot when I left my house so there was minimal wifi traffic. It was not directly to my ONT. I am wondering if it may be something on my ISP or line level because it would explain how sometimes I feel my connection is good (Low ping times) then it spikes back up to higher pings and I have bad experiences. Should I do another ping plotter directly to my ONT (it is bridged so my PC would have the public IP)? What should I run the test to? That plot being bad would explain how the Duma has seemed to give me great games sometimes while other times it seems to be making it worse. I really want the duma to work out for me because I believe it can really work. If I can't get it to work I might have to return it because it just isn't working for me. I know it may take some time, if you can extend my return time I will continue to test and see if it is the duma or my ISP or what the issue is. I want this to work out but I can't afford to have a non useful $200 router. I hope you understand that I am not giving up on the router or not believing in it I just haven't seen the results I was looking for. Thanks for all the support on this and I really want to resolve any issues I am having! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 That plot being bad would explain how the Duma has seemed to give me great games sometimes while other times it seems to be making it worse. How so? If nobody was at home, that gnarly graph would suggest problems with your line. Or were there people in the house hammering the internet? If so, did you leave Anti-Flood set, to minimise spikes? You can't run an accurate test of your line's integrity while people/devices are accessing the network. Likewise, you can't run an accurate test of the Netduma's ability to control congestion if it's not setup to do so. Test direct from your modem to see if the graph looks rough. If that also looks rough then you need to speak to your ISP. If it looks good then test again quickly through the Netduma. It needs to be quickly in case it's an issue that's affected by the time of day, as traffic on the ISP's network will change dramatically at different times, and we need the tests to be virtually the same. Obviously keep off your network while you're testing, as you're testing the integrity of your line and don't want the results skewed by activity (best to disable the wifi so nothing can interfere). Test, over ethernet, by pinging something big and relatively (hopefully) stable. I use Twitter in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 How so? That gnarly graph looks like a problem, outside of your house, with your line to me. Should I do another plot then? To twitter? Contact ISP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Should I do another plot then? To twitter? Contact ISP? I added more to my post... Test first then we can see what's up. Yes, as you're in the US, Twitter is a probably a good bet for the test. An hour test on the modem and then an hour on the Netduma should be enough for us to see how things are behaving. Obviously don't do an hour at 3am Tuesday and an hour at 6pm Friday though, keep them as close together as possible so that the ISP's network is under a similar amount of stress for both tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 I added more to my post... Test first then we can see what's up. Yes, as you're in the US, Twitter is a probably a good bet for the test. An hour test on the modem and then an hour on the Netduma should be enough for us to see how things are behaving. Obviously don't do an hour at 3am Tuesday and an hour at 6pm Friday though, keep them as close together as possible so that the ISP's network is under a similar amount of stress for both tests. http://imgur.com/a/Gu4KM Directly connected for one hour to pingplotter.com (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) http://imgur.com/a/Bw1Z5 Through R1 with 70%/70% congestion with share excess unticked with 100% to PC and nothing else connected anyway. One hour to pingplotter.com (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) Not sure how good/bad these are so please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 You should not worry about packet loss on any hop but the last as you can see you have an amount of packet loss to pingplotter.com on the destination. Please test to twitter.com and show me the plot to see if is a web site issue or an ISP issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 You should not worry about packet loss on any hop but the last as you can see you have an amount of packet loss to pingplotter.com on the destination. Please test to twitter.com and show me the plot to see if is a web site issue or an ISP issue. Sounds good, starting plot to twitter.com now. One hour good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 30 mins will do Areuz, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 30 mins will do Areuz, thanks. http://imgur.com/a/F3oBQ Twitter.com 30mins. Just as a note my R1 is at 70%/70% congestion with no other devices on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Packet loss has gone so that is great, you do have some 20 - 30 ms spikes this could be your docsis 3 modems CPU if you own one. http://forum.netduma.com/topic/19334-intels-puma-6-chipset-suffers-from-latency-jitter-fix-soon/?hl=docsis&do=findComment&comment=132386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Packet loss has gone so that is great, you do have some 20 - 30 ms spikes this could be your docsis 3 modems CPU if you own one. http://forum.netduma.com/topic/19334-intels-puma-6-chipset-suffers-from-latency-jitter-fix-soon/?hl=docsis&do=findComment&comment=132386 Packet loss being gone is good as I had hoped. I have GPON FTTH 250 Mbps up/down (1Gbps available) with an ONT that is currently bridged to my R1. So I do not have the Puma 6 issue. Those 20-30ms spikes shouldn't be there should they? Or at least for my line? If you look at the first hop (162.254.66.16 my remote gateway at my ISP) should that have that much variance? The rest of the hops have low ICMP priority as you can see by the fluctuation. Should I talk to my ISP about possible issues? How much jitter/spikes should I be getting with my connection? Just some questions I have had because for how good my connection should be but it seems I still have issues that keep me from having a near perfect gaming experience. I know I can't control others connections from lagging in the games I play. Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 It could be time of day, congestion / contention what time is it there right now? Or it my be inherent for the type of broadband you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 It could be time of day, congestion / contention what time is it there right now? 3 almost 4 am Also there shouldn't be that much congestion to a local ISP level router that is in a small rural city using GPON (2.5Gbps down and 1.25Gbps up for each neighborhood) at any given time. Whenever I called and asked my ISP they just said, "Oh well your average is still 1-2ms so it is perfectly fine." Even though I could see spikes of up to 50 or 60ms at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yeah will not be congestion at that time in the morning. Those spikes will affect you in game, do you know any other friends or family on the same package as yourself that you could ask or even pingplot? Have you tried your ISP's forum to see if others have issues like yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yeah will not be congestion at that time in the morning. Those spikes will affect you in game, do you know any other friends or family on the same package as yourself that you could ask or even pingplot? Have you tried your ISP's forum to see if others have issues like yours? My ISP is a local Co-Op (Paul Bunyan Communications if you'd like to search them) so there are no forums. They have local tech support which is usually fairly good except when admitting their problems. Are you saying I should do a pingplot on another person's connection on the same package in my city? If so I can certainly try to do that. Is there anything I should bring up with my ISP? Specific questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yeah try someone on the same package and run ping plotter on theirs. Tell them you have jitter and send them the plots, do not mention the Netduma as they may blame it even though your plots say different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonicBoom Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Cool, glad to see that the packet loss has gone. 3am-4am that's hardcore dedication to testing. Although it's not a perfect graph (they rarely are), it's a long way from 'bad' and I've seen much worse than that at my house. As Zen said, if you test from someone else's house on the same package you can see if they suffer the same jitter that would help. I've never had FTTP so I don't know if they usually jitter like that. I had some problems with my previous ISP and my neighbours were all really helpful and let me hook up my laptop over ethernet (then they are happy because they don't have to give you their wifi password). You don't need to hook up your Netduma at their house obviously, just ask them if they mind not using their internet while you run the test and talk to them about their dog for 15 mins (works every time). Also, my ISP modem/router combo was causing similar sized (and frequency) spikes recently. I replaced it with a standalone modem (after weeks of getting nowhere with my ISP), the spikes went away immediately and my ping (to the IW dedis) went from 30ms to 7ms within 12 hours. Just goes to show how your ISP are happy to give you a real POS. And show your ISP the jitter like Zen said. Regardless of whether your friends/neighbours have the same jitter as you, it won't hurt to have them look into it in case it's a quick fix. Keep us posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Areuz Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Cool, glad to see that the packet loss has gone. 3am-4am that's hardcore dedication to testing. Although it's not a perfect graph (they rarely are), it's a long way from 'bad' and I've seen much worse than that at my house. As Zen said, if you test from someone else's house on the same package you can see if they suffer the same jitter that would help. I've never had FTTP so I don't know if they usually jitter like that. I had some problems with my previous ISP and my neighbours were all really helpful and let me hook up my laptop over ethernet (then they are happy because they don't have to give you their wifi password). You don't need to hook up your Netduma at their house obviously, just ask them if they mind not using their internet while you run the test and talk to them about their dog for 15 mins (works every time). Also, my ISP modem/router combo was causing similar sized (and frequency) spikes recently. I replaced it with a standalone modem (after weeks of getting nowhere with my ISP), the spikes went away immediately and my ping (to the IW dedis) went from 30ms to 7ms within 12 hours. Just goes to show how your ISP are happy to give you a real POS. And show your ISP the jitter like Zen said. Regardless of whether your friends/neighbours have the same jitter as you, it won't hurt to have them look into it in case it's a quick fix. Keep us posted. I haven't had the opportunity to test the pingplotter on another line yet. I found something else though. http://imgur.com/a/g6tpoThis is a smokeping from Virginia. You can see the stable part then it goes crazy and that is when I have lag. http://imgur.com/a/XrzhuMichigan http://imgur.com/a/Cht7eCalifornia You will notice that the California graphs look great and go as expected. The Virginia and Michigan tests are very similar and the spikes are at the same time. I identified a problem on a hop on the backbone my ISP uses in Chicago. If was causing high pings to anything east coast (anything routing through it). I contacted my ISP about it today. For example I ping OpenDNS (208.67.222.222) and they have a Chicago server and when everything is fine I get about 25ms. When it is having issues I have pings of 70-90ms. It is terrible and I have noticed in my gaming lately. We'll see what ISP does for me whether that be change my routing or get Hurricane Electric (the owners of the hop) to fix the problems. This would explain any spike I have to servers that I route through the Chicago hop. Just an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted February 10, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2017 Good that you have found the cause, do let us know what happens. Hopefully given the proof they'll be able to resolve the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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