toby jugs Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 hi guys. just moved to a new property and there is absolutely no chance of a wired connection from ground to second floor so i got some linksys powerline adapters. i have them paired ok and all the power sockets are on one circuit coz there's only one trip switch for them. however my ps4 cannot find the ip address for some reason when i attempt to switch it from wifi to wired and keeps saying it failed to find the ip address when i try auto set-up. i used the ps4 browser and googled find my ip address to get the ip but there's a load of other blag i need to enter aswell to set it up and i'm not sure what's what so i need help once again. i don't have the duma plugged in at the moment because the wifi drops out for fun on mine now and i can't be constantly resetting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG__DOG Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Hi. Regarding your problem with the powerline adapter.......If your upstairs mains circuit is on a seperate loop than the downstairs then your powerline will not work as they need to be on the same loop. EXAMPLE..........if you lose power to your sockets downstairs but the upstairs sockets work then they are on 2 seperate loops, if all the sockets do not work then you are on the same loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca65 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I use power line adapters, but am at a loss as to why you need to I put the IP address. I thought you just paired them up and BOOM you're good to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palla69 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I have also used powerline adapters. Although im not sure how the electric ring in my house is wired, all I did was plug in one adapter into the mains, eithernet cable into one of the ports of the Duma. The second adapter which is on the second floor of my house, I plugged into the mains wall socket with eithernet able to ps4. I had to press the signal button on the adapter on the one wired to Duma and then press the button on the second adapter and hey presto connection established. Although I dont get my full speeds via the adapters the quality seems very stable and allows me to game pretty well, much better than wifi at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted December 18, 2016 Netduma Staff Share Posted December 18, 2016 i don't have the duma plugged in at the moment because the wifi drops out for fun on mine now and i can't be constantly resetting it. Is one of the power line adapters plugged into a router (just checking cause you said you weren't using the Duma)? Do devices connecting to the router via WiFi/Ethernet get an IP? Is the PS4 set to obtain an IP automatically? Could you plug your laptop into one of the adapters and see if it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Is one of the power line adapters plugged into a router (just checking cause you said you weren't using the Duma)? Do devices connecting to the router via WiFi/Ethernet get an IP? Is the PS4 set to obtain an IP automatically? Could you plug your laptop into one of the adapters and see if it works? tried the laptop plugged into it, it finds it but says no internet signal, which i find strange because they are deffo paired. there's 1 green light on and when i turn on ps4 or laptop with it connected to the upstairs powerline adapter it then changes to 2 green lights so it's clearly detecting something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted December 18, 2016 Netduma Staff Share Posted December 18, 2016 tried the laptop plugged into it, it finds it but says no internet signal, which i find strange because they are deffo paired. there's 1 green light on and when i turn on ps4 or laptop with it connected to the upstairs powerline adapter it then changes to 2 green lights so it's clearly detecting something. Is the other powerline adaptor plugged into a working port on your router? Try testing the port on your router to make sure it definitely works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palla69 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Toby You have tried to connect via a wired connection on the ps4??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Is the other powerline adaptor plugged into a working port on your router? Try testing the port on your router to make sure it definitely works. already did that, hard wired laptop to same port and did a speed test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Toby You have tried to connect via a wired connection on the ps4??? that's the whole point , i can't hardwire it because it's 2 storeys up, but it was hardwired at my last property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 Is one of the power line adapters plugged into a router (just checking cause you said you weren't using the Duma)? Do devices connecting to the router via WiFi/Ethernet get an IP? Is the PS4 set to obtain an IP automatically? Could you plug your laptop into one of the adapters and see if it works? i can connect via wifi ,no problems, however when you do this on the ps4 it doesn't show to ip when you connect it just says successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG__DOG Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 i have already given you the answer to your problem.....if your upstairs and downstairs electrical looping are seperate then powerline adapters do not work as they must be on the same loop. if you plug 1 powerline adapter into 1 socket downstairs and another downstairs in another room then they will work as that is the same loop. Many homes have 2 different electrical loops, 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs so if a fuse in a plug blows you will not lose power to appliances or devices on another floor level. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/home-networking.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 i have already given you the answer to your problem.....if your upstairs and downstairs electrical looping are seperate then powerline adapters do not work as they must be on the same loop. if you plug 1 powerline adapter into 1 socket downstairs and another downstairs in another room then they will work as that is the same loop. Many homes have 2 different electrical loops, 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs so if a fuse in a plug blows you will not lose power to appliances or devices on another floor level. http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/home-networking.html sorry bud and i appreciate the input , but this is not the answer. in my opening post i typed : i have them paired ok and all the power sockets are on one circuit coz there's only one trip switch for them. it seems that i have stuff namely a washing machine and a tumble dryer right next to the powerline adapter and these are causing the problem, so i'm just gonna have to put up with wifi for now and then get someone in to run some wiring for me in the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsta69 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hi Toby Jugs, Just a thought, is the powerline plug plugged into the main socket and not an extension? Also I had problems with drop outs and resets when I first got my R1 and it appears to have been that it was to close to my cordless phone base. I did only have to move about a foot further away for it to work OK and it has been fine ever since. However I did eventually punch holes in the ceiling and run everything hardwired but it is a pain. Good luck with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Hi Toby Jugs, Just a thought, is the powerline plug plugged into the main socket and not an extension? Also I had problems with drop outs and resets when I first got my R1 and it appears to have been that it was to close to my cordless phone base. I did only have to move about a foot further away for it to work OK and it has been fine ever since. However I did eventually punch holes in the ceiling and run everything hardwired but it is a pain. Good luck with it. yeah i know about about the ext lead not working, it's plugged into a wall socket that's literally inches away from the 2 appliances i mentioned, i have been informed that this is more than likely the issue so i'll just have to get someone to run a lead through 2 ceilings after xmas to go wired again. i've tried everything with the duma itself and it was no closer to anything else than it'd ever been. once i've got everything sorted out for wiring i'll either get a new duma or get the one i've got refurbed if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sounds like the best solution would be to have a new hardline run for you Toby, which is where it appears you are heading. This is called a "Wall Fish" or an "Existing home, outlet relocate" in the cable and phone trades. Happy to offer some insight and tips on that if you need them, but it appears you are on the right track. Powerline adapters have their place, but I don't know if fast-paced FPS shooters are the designed application. Good luck man and let me know if I can be of assistance. JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 Sounds like the best solution would be to have a new hardline run for you Toby, which is where it appears you are heading. This is called a "Wall Fish" or an "Existing home, outlet relocate" in the cable and phone trades. Happy to offer some insight and tips on that if you need them, but it appears you are on the right track. Powerline adapters have their place, but I don't know if fast-paced FPS shooters are the designed application. Good luck man and let me know if I can be of assistance. JD well JD, what really pees me off is that it's a new build property with forward planning in mind(supposedly LOL) there is already wiring and switches in place for a stair lift and a lift to go through the ceiling and phone sockets in every room, yet they missed a huge trick with the internet. no fecker is interested in landlines anymore so the sockets in most rooms should have been ethernet points(or both) and a patch panel should have been put under the cabinet that contains the ONT for the win in my opinion. instead i have FTTP and have to rely on wifi, lmfao. my question to you is: is it possible to change a phone socket to an ethernet one and get an internet signal or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 It "can" be done - but it is rarely a simple process. To confirm, you would have to pull the entire wall box to see how they ran the in wall wiring. If they ran it traditional, which is hole-saw the 2x4's and staple the lines to the framing, you are pretty well fucked with the existing line. If the existing lines are on interior walls, without insulation, then you can run a new line via wall fishing, but you should really have the proper tools (like a 1.5 meter wall fish drill bit and have confirmed the framing specs) and with it being two floors in question? You are going to have at least (4) 2 x 4 caps and possibly a couple of fire stops in the wall, so it would be tricky. Is there a way to convert twisted pair to an ethernet cable electronically or without physical replacement? I'm sorry brother but I don't know of a way. If there is, someone here will know it. If this was an exterior wall, and it wasn't an eye sore for the owner, it would be fairly easy to punch the wall, wrap the outside of the building, and punch the wall to tie in at the source. FTTH and running Wifi?! There is a situation you don't run into everyday..... *sorry to laugh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 It "can" be done - but it is rarely a simple process. To confirm, you would have to pull the entire wall box to see how they ran the in wall wiring. If they ran it traditional, which is hole-saw the 2x4's and staple the lines to the framing, you are pretty well fucked with the existing line. If the existing lines are on interior walls, without insulation, then you can run a new line via wall fishing, but you should really have the proper tools (like a 1.5 meter wall fish drill bit and have confirmed the framing specs) and with it being two floors in question? You are going to have at least (4) 2 x 4 caps and possibly a couple of fire stops in the wall, so it would be tricky. Is there a way to convert twisted pair to an ethernet cable electronically or without physical replacement? I'm sorry brother but I don't know of a way. If there is, someone here will know it. If this was an exterior wall, and it wasn't an eye sore for the owner, it would be fairly easy to punch the wall, wrap the outside of the building, and punch the wall to tie in at the source. FTTH and running Wifi?! There is a situation you don't run into everyday..... *sorry to laugh* i thought you'd laugh at that! it's on an exterior wall so i guess it'd be easier to drill through, go up, and then back in again on the second floor. i should really be having words with the property devs too about serving up caviar and giving people plastic spoons to eat it with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Yeah, if it is an exterior wall, and there aren't "facing the street, you are ruining my view" concerns the quickest and easiest route is to punch the wall and drop down a couple of floors. With exterior wall fishing (trying to put it in a confined space out of view) you have all the insulation concerns, but you almost always have the cross run items (like water, daisy-chained electrical outlets, etc) to consider. Hit one of those and you will be having a bad day that takes a left into Shitsburgh real quick. If you COULD talk to the planner, or someone responsible for the work, I would ask them "and how do I get THAT, up HERE" and wait for the mental meltdown...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixadmin Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 > however my ps4 cannot find the ip address for some reason when i attempt > to switch it from wifi to wired and keeps saying it failed to find the ip address > when i try auto set-up. But do you have DHCP? If you say the two powerline adapters are paired then this simply sounds like you expect DHCP to be enabled. What if it is enabled, but you bypass it by assigning a static IP to PS4 (or laptop for testing)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted December 20, 2016 Author Share Posted December 20, 2016 > however my ps4 cannot find the ip address for some reason when i attempt > to switch it from wifi to wired and keeps saying it failed to find the ip address > when i try auto set-up. But do you have DHCP? If you say the two powerline adapters are paired then this simply sounds like you expect DHCP to be enabled. What if it is enabled, but you bypass it by assigning a static IP to PS4 (or laptop for testing)? dunno what you mean unix, dhcp? i did have a static ip assigned to the ps4 at my old address and manual port forwarded to get open nat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG__DOG Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 sorry bud and i appreciate the input , but this is not the answer. in my opening post i typed : i have them paired ok and all the power sockets are on one circuit coz there's only one trip switch for them. it seems that i have stuff namely a washing machine and a tumble dryer right next to the powerline adapter and these are causing the problem, so i'm just gonna have to put up with wifi for now and then get someone in to run some wiring for me in the new year. agh ok, sorry i missed t5hat part. Hope you get it fixed in the new year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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