UPnP

[MrRelentlessUK]

Hello all

 

having UPnP enabled on theDuma is it wise to have it enabled on the ISP router or disabled?

 

thanks 

[Netduma Crossy]

If the Netduma is in your ISPs DMZ then it won't really be doing anything when it is on so you can turn it off

[nollies1]

To clarify, I can see that UPnP is not necessary to be enabled on the Duma if the Duma is in the DMZ.  However, what, if any, impact would enabling UPnP (vs. not enabling) on the upstream router have?  Perhaps, for example, it still should be (?) enabled on the upstream router since everything going out/coming to the Duma still needs to pass through the upstream router... I guess I'm just asking for clarification on the phrase "you can turn it off"...  

 

Thx

[MrRelentlessUK]

thanks Crossy, could i use the ports that Activision require for BO3 with UPnP enabled? as it only opens 3074, 9308 

[nollies1]

I wouldn't (poss conflicts b/w UPnP & PF'ing), but let's wait and see what Crossy may say.

[fuzzy clam]

IMO they both need to be off,I have another router in my setup and they are both disabled.

[MrRelentlessUK]

even on the Duma? if i disable UPnP on it i get a moderate nat type on BO3 

[Netduma Crossy]

UPnP does the same as port forwarding - just automatically. Is there any reasons you want to PF instead?  Is it to get all the Activision recommended ports?

[MrRelentlessUK]

yeah Crossy just for the Activison ports, when i go to UPnP there are just 2 ports showing so thought maybe adding recommended ports may help? 

[Netduma Crossy]

If you already have an open NAT then it won't make a difference to forward anything else. Are some of the ports ones like 80, 443 etc? If they are then those are probably on the list in case they are blocked outbound, which on most routers is not the case.

[MrRelentlessUK]

Yes some of the ports are 80, 443, seen a few more like 1935, 3478-3480 didn't know if it would course conflict having UPnP enabled and a few ports along side 

[Netduma Crossy]

I don't think it will conflict, but I don't think it will make a difference by port forwarding them

[MrRelentlessUK]

Ok i will just leave the UPnP enabled and not port forward 

[nollies1]

I stated my comment totally backwards, oops sorry lol. After realizing this, I went and did an experiment. You guys prolly know this already but for anyone else who runs into this post...

 

(Given: I'm currently net <-> modem <-> Asus router <-> Duma with a static IP and in DMZ <-> 3 game consoles and a PC; pertains to Blop3/ PSN)

 

1) With UPnP enabled on the Duma, whichever console logs on first gets open NAT, the other always moderate (as an aside, this is my current headache/ troubleshooting saga, trying anything short of purchasing a second Internet package, but anyways)

 

2) With UPnP DISabled on Duma - everything is moderate NAT

 

3) On the Asus, I haven't noticed any impact whether UPnP is enabled or disabled, i.e., regardless of UPnP setting on the Asus, if it's enabled on the Duma I experience case 1 above, if disabled I experience case 2 above.

 

(I'm not trying to hijack here but was thinking it's relevant/ so, worth mentioning )

 

On a quick but IMO relevant side note... There's another post I recal which argues that as long as a PSN test shows NAT type 2 then that's all that matters, i.e., the in-game 'moderate' console shall not be adversely impacted (at least that was my conclusion from the post).

 

I've found that this is either not entirely correct OR perhaps I misunderstood the dude, because I've personally noticed a substantial difference in the ability to host game-parties with friends, the quality of and ease-of-finding/connecting etc to lobbies, and so forth, if I'm using whichever console has the in-game 'moderate' NAT type.

 

-Q

[Netduma Fraser]

Have you given each console a static IP as well? This may help. I think BO3 detects NAT weirdly as if the consoles say open in network settings then it should be fine. It makes sense though that if they detect it in an odd way you may have difficulty with games even though your NAT is essentially open according to the console itself.