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https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r29951338-Equip-New-Netgear-CM500 Broadcom...
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Yes I have used the SB 6183 which is a Broadcom based modem with the R1, it's not a Intel based modem! I have used Motorola's SB 6121 and 6180 which are TI based modems, not Intel. The SB 6121 is a 4x4 and the 6183 is a 8x4. The 6183 is 16x4. I now have a Motorola MB 7420 which is also a 16x4 modem. Works just fine with the R1. The following Arris Intel based modems in the "bad" list are SB6190 TG1672G TM1602 TG2492LG I would not recommend any modem that in Intel based.
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There is the Motorola MB 7420 which is 16x4. Might see if your ISP supports it. The 6183 works as well as a 16x4 modem.
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Oh so other ISPs where some users may not have access or service to "major ISPs" don't matter? Still cutting out a major group of people whom may not have access to a "major ISP" and may want there modem and the R1 to work with what there "not even close to a major ISP" service which they may not have any other access to other ISP services. Still limiting the R1 NetDuma by saying that. I guess the little guy doesn't matter huh. Even though some ISPs don't support the TPLink, the R1 should work well and probably does work well, however the limited scope of your testing, experience and knowledge tells us other wise. As Nemisis said, the 6190 seems to work well with the R1 and presume thats with the most recent version of FW which Intel has made some advancements on. All other Broadcom based modems including Arris works well with the R1. We believe your list is very flawed, inaccurate and mis-leading. Only making it a disadvantage to users and the NetDuma folks having this list like this. Hope things will change for the better. I think the R1 is a good router for gaming. So are ALL modems that connect to it. NetDuma would only benefit by having ALL modems work with there router with ALL ISPs, Major or not. Again, I said all major ISPs. Armstrong is not even close to a major ISP. Even then the modem would probably still work, they just won't let you use it for whatever reason they have. In fact they won't let you use any modem except for 3, and none of those 3 are yours. So what's your point? Because I have tested the TC-7610 on ALL major US ISPs. I played the infinite warfare beta, and loved it. But I don't have to play to look at how the netcode works and is a clear problem with the game itself, not the servers. Pinging a server will show you a flat line ping with 0 loss. That is amazing! But the problem with that, is you are pinging an external IP address at some data center. This doesn't account for server loads, and the horrible coding/software in which the game is run on. Which is why, I don't look at how a game "feels" while I'm playing it. I gather IP addresses from various games and services, and then test them in a controlled way with no outside influence to see how a modem performs under various conditions. Again, I never said it doesn't work. I said "If you want the BEST possible gaming experience on ANY router with ANY major cable ISP in the USA, then the TP-Link TC-7610 is one of the very few modems which offer that." In fact, Fraser even said "Keep in mind, the R1 still works with those listed you just may get a better experience with those in the compatibility list." So this just comes down to selective hearing, or in this case selective reading. You are reading what you want me to say, not what I am actually saying. What I am saying is, yes, I too thought my SB6141 worked fine. In fact, I used it for about 8 months without realizing how much I had crippled my internet. I sat here blaming Netduma or a faulty router/software. After extensive testing I came to find out that it was my modem, the SB6141 which everyone claims to work fine, which was causing a problem. I removed the modem, and my problem went away. I then took that modem, shipped it off to Texas, connected it to Time Warner Cable rather than Comcast... And what do you know? The problem happened there too! What a surprise, I was right! Arris sucks for gaming. I'm checking out how it increases as you reduce congestion. As I said, that's a problem. 100% congestion control which is effectively off, and 25% congestion control should have nowhere near the same ping fluctuations... unless of course you're using a modem which randomly spikes causing random results. But obviously I'm just here trying to troll people, not help. Wow! So a guy who is paid $13 an hour came to your house in a 15 minute time slot that he has reserved for you, and he told you that their network wasn't the problem? Humph, who woulda thunk it?! I bet he connected his signal meter for a whole minute too! As I said multiple times now your test is flawed. I don't know why you don't believe that, but you clearly had different variables at play while testing both modems. If you'd like to know what those are go back and re-read everything I said to you and you'll see that your test is flawed. Plus, it is very clearly recommended to turn off IPv6 on the Netduma and you do not. So to test using IPv6 is just another flaw in your test. You can clearly see if you go back and look at the screenshots you posted: You claim that you tested the 7610 with google.com using IPv4 and IPv6. You can clearly see that for the 7610 (or the test you claim was the 7610) you pinged 8.8.8.8 which is Google DNS (which has been proven to be unreliable to ping) using IPv4 only. In the second set of screenshots, you claim to be using the DPQ3212, while pinging www.google.com using IPv6 only. So tell me, how is your test not flawed? Two different modems, setup two different ways, pinging two different IPs with two different communications protocols and you expect similar results? https://explorable.com/controlled-variables From this point on, I am only replying to new people on this thread that have a serious question. I am no longer engaging in this pissing contest with people who haven't tested anything, but claim to know the results.
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I think you have to add pictures to the Managed Attachments under your profile...
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Armstrong ISP doesn't support TPLink. Again, not all ISPs support TPLink. Most Do. Just saying. Your test is on Comcast, doesn't apply to other ISPs. Could be same, better or worse. Not saying that users shouldn't use TPLink. Saying that other modems work and work well with other ISP as well.
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Not claiming you "know nothing". Just saying, you could be a little bit more accepting of others and what they say regardless of modems they maybe using. Were all here to help each other and help Duma as well.
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You should look at the dates of the dslreports results are over a year old and maybe different now.
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SB 6120, 6121 and 6180. All work well with the R1 with my ISP. I'm looking into getting a Motorola MB series next. Even though you claim to have tested all modems, I highly doubt you can test all modems with the R1 on all ISP services. Each ISP is a bit different in there services. Not here either to claim only one specific modem works, however in recent posts you have trolled and seem overly biased against people who claim other modems DO work. Even against me and you continue too. Thought people say there modems work and you don't seem to believe them, maybe the sky is blue and there speaking the truth. Why not accept them or what they say. Were all there to gain knowledge and express our experiences, not pass doubt or lie about things. Maybe those modems do work and are working. Why is that hard to believe huh? It would be in NetDumas best interest to make sure ALL or as many modems work well with there R1 modem as possible, not just one or a few. Again, not all ISP services support all modems or your TPLink modems which you seem to favor and push on others. Of course if the ISP supports it, of course, try it. However if users are seeing good experiences with what you claims doesn't work well with there R1, then doesn't mean any else accept that it's working for them. Users of the R1 shouldn't have to try other modems to get good experiences with the R1. Your list is misleading and inaccurate. It should reflect what works best with the R1 in your experiences however other modems will work and depending upon ISP services, bandwidth usage, cabling, signal and line quality and router configuration can and will effect how the modem, R1 and gaming experiences are seen. Also other modems could be recommended for ISPs that don't seem to support your favorite modem Mfr. The list would be also out of date as time goes on, the last time you supposedly tested the modems, new FW version have probably been released and may have improved how the modems work with the R1, or could have made it works as well. Have you tested ALL modems again across all ISP? LOL I doubt it. Over all, you could be a little less biased and be a bit more encouraging with people who post there experiences with other modems besides TPLink and regardless of what modem they are using. As time goes on, 8x4 and 16x4 modems will be going away and DOCSIS 3.1 will be the norm, things will be changing as well as the R1 and there OS which we are patiently waiting for.
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Kind of hard to say that since you haven't tested modems on other ISPs either huh? Not a pissing contest. Were just stating that some of us have good experiences with the R1 and the supposed incompatible modems that seem to work just fine for some of us is all. Enjoy what works is all.
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My 6183 has been working just fine w the R1. Big item to make sure is that your signal line level is good from the isp.
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There was a beta version V mentioned on the DSLreports forum. Some users were able to get ahold of it directly from one of the Arris devs in the forum. Not sure if he's still available or pushing this version anymore since another DSLreports user found another issue with the Intel FW on the 6190 since version N. Last beta was V and was reported to fix some UDP or TCP issues I believe. I presume the SB 6190 will work just fine with the R1. Will be better if and when Intel can fix there bugs though. Recent problem found: 4/25/2017 https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31377755-
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I recommend that you ask your ISP for V version SW for the SB6190 or any versions V or later. The 6190 has known issues with it's Intel Puma 6 chip set and is well documented here: These links are to DSLreports information regarding Intel's problem with there Puma 6 chip set seen in various Mfr cable modems: Initial: https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31079834-ALL-SB6190-is-a-terrible-modem-Intel-Puma-6-MaxLinear-mistakeand https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31122204-SB6190-Puma6-TCP-UDP-Network-Latency-Issue-Discussionand https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31340594-ALL-SB6190-and-CM700-latency-fix-firmware-ready-to-test Recent problem found: 4/25/2017 https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31377755- Most cable modems with Intel's Puma 6 chip sets are effected. Users may want to contact there modem Mfrs if they are having problems with effected modems. This only effects cable modems with the Intel Puma 6 chip set. You can test your modem here: http://www.dslreports.com/tools/puma6 The Arris SB 6183 and 8200 and TPLink modems are Broadcom based and do not have this problem.
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I believe the HW maybe the same as MT however NetDuma has compiled and developed there own SW for it. Developed mostly around regional gaming controls and controlling how gamers connect to others, servers and ping and latency environments. Fairly complex imo. There developing the next OS and is currently in beta. Ya, since the hw and ports on most routers today are only 1gb supporting. Home class routers will need the ~10gb hw approval and included in all of the next generation hw. We're hitting the ceiling withnwhat we have now. Will be interesting to see what comes up past 1gb.
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I believe the TC-7610 will work just fine for those speeds. I'd check with your ISP to ensure it's fully supported. Ensure your signals are good for any mode you get connected. Even the Most 8x4 modems can handle up to 300Mb each way. Beyond that you'll need a 16x4 modem and upwards if your isp speeds get faster then 300Mb. The Arris 6183 is 16x4 along with the TC-7620 and Motorola's MB7420. http://forum.netduma.com/topic/20681-compatibleincompatible-modems/page-5?do=findComment&comment=151622 Keep away from the Arris SB6190 and any Intel based modem. There's a list here to be aware of: https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31134484- I've done my own testing with the R1 and Motorola's SB6121, 6180 and Arris 6183 work just fine with the R1 router. If your ISP supports TPLink, then by all means check it out. I won't be biased against it as others may think.
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Yep. ISP signal is important for sure. People sometimes fail and over look this and don't see pass the router or modem and blame those items mostly when troubleshooting. ISP signal should be check always first off. Then go from there.
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May also be a ISP service issue as well. Not only a modem issue if red shows up.
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The puma 6 test is for Intel Puma 6 based modems: https://www.dslreports.com/testsearch?fy=1999&q=puma6&ty=2016&typ=hardware It's only the problem of the Intel puma 6 based modems that this problem exists. All other non-Intel based modems will and or should be green of course.
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What does breaking modems with a simple test have to do with anything. Seems like ur grabbing at straws now. You'd have to have access to the WAN IP. You say one thing then do nothing to back up. You just expect everyone to take your word for it at face value when there isn't any proof of that. That's fine however remember TP-Link and Arris use Broadcom chips sets. Only Arris modem that doesn't is the 6190 and we all ready know that's a big problem and were all avoiding that one. The other Arris modems have already been tested and are not as effected as the 6190. All the years I've been using Motorola and now the Arris 6183, Been nothing but solid modems. I'm sure TP-Link has good modems too. Again, Not all ISP support TP-LInk as some don't even support Arris. Again, the 6183 works just fine with the R1. Just play BO2 and BO3 tonite. Stellar game play as side a few others that could seem to keep it together. I'm sure TP-Link modems are just fine. So are Arris modems. Why your overly biased and unwilling to let someone else say that Arris works for them with the R1 is beyond me when it does. Just another modem is all. Just a modem.
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Still kinda hearsay when people just say switching to a different modem isn't really proof. What was there signal levels on there ISP service. They have any splittlers online as well or not? Why no hard data like XSXS has posted. Regardless of splitters used, the modems should operation with in specs with or with out splitters. Again, not everyone can operate a modem with out a splitter. Some users will have both Internet and TV services from there ISP and not a dedicated internet line. All were saying is that not only will the TPLink modem work, others will as well. http://forum.netduma.com/topic/20028-new-netduma-user-having-trouble-getting-optimal-settings/page-2?do=findComment&comment=138792 We see no hard data that the TPLink modems are the best. Just user expressed experiences. Which is fine. However hard proof shouldn't be turned away either. Regardless of which modem being used.
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Cool find. Been in service for a while now. So might not see any differences on your ISP or maybe you will...Hmm. Have you used an Arris modem before?
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Ya, I only have 100x3 here so i'm at a good point here with the 6183. Band tuning could be just a marketing scheme to bring in customers. Flashy new modem with a flashy new feature. Will be interesting to see what you find out. Do direct connect tests with the modem first. Speed and BufferBloat. Then test with the R1.
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Awesome. Hope it works just as good at the TPLink and Arris modems. All Broadcom so it should be good. Curious about that tuning feature though.
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The SB 6183 is a 16x4. I see the Motorola MB7420 is the same. It's also supported on my ISP. I might check this one out. Always enjoyed the Motorola modems before Arris bought them. They worked as well with the R1 router. https://motorolanetwork.com/mb7420.html
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Post what you find out. Im sure were all curious if you choose to get the 7620, how it works with the R1. I'm sure it will work just like the 7610 or any other modem. Not every ISP supports TPLink.
