teapot Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hi Guys, I received the duma during the week and im extremely pleased with it. I managed to get it setup running through another router, which was a lot less hassle than i thought! i have a few questions tho, hopefully someone can shed some light on them. I apologise in advance for the long post! I'd rather it all be in here than creating multiple threads . My current setup is: wall > modem > netgear router > duma. Internet speeds of 70 down and 18 up. I have the duma setup within the netgear in DMZ mode, with address reservation. 1. In dummy lehman terms, can somebody explain the congestion control to me? Im confused as to how it works and if i should be tinkering with it if im running the duma through another router. My home network only has the odd person person streaming or gaming in another room, theres very little heavy usage times, theres always bandwidth available. If i reduce the percentage bars am i nerfing my connection, if so, why is that a good thing? I've watched youtube videos and read the forum but i still cant grasp whats going on? I currently have 2 devices connected to the duma, pc and xbox (ps4 will be added later). 2. Whilst in xbox live party chat, if i dont have all the party chat members added to the geo filter allow list, does this interfere with the party chat while searching for games? ie kick people from party chat etc? last night, i did a quick test with my friend online with the geo filter, when i joined he was in a party chat with friends from USA (we're from UK), Myself and him jumped onto destiny and when i did a geo filter search with strict mode off, the party chat was disable for a couple of minutes and i was unable to chat. I turned the geo filtering off and was able to connect to the party chat a few minutes later. I did check xbox live server status and some core services were being affected at this point, im not sure if the geo filtering was causing it but i have a feeling it was. Do i need to add all party chat members to the allow list before searching for games, even know some members arent playing the same game etc? 3. I ran a few internet diagnosis and im wondering if theres anything i can change or alter to get a better reading? Whilst it seems ok, i'd like to know if theres anything i can do to squeeze more juice from it hehe. I have posted the diagnosis results within the spoiler. Ping = Good, Jitter = Good, Spikes = Ok, Packet Loss = No Loss Show DetailsPingPING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=0 ttl=51 time=22.237 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=1 ttl=51 time=22.181 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=2 ttl=51 time=22.225 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=3 ttl=51 time=22.310 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=4 ttl=51 time=22.138 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=5 ttl=51 time=22.183 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=6 ttl=51 time=22.271 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=7 ttl=51 time=22.121 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=8 ttl=51 time=22.325 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=9 ttl=51 time=22.479 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=10 ttl=51 time=22.143 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=11 ttl=51 time=22.212 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=12 ttl=51 time=38.243 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=13 ttl=51 time=22.102 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=14 ttl=51 time=22.192 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=15 ttl=51 time=22.000 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=16 ttl=51 time=22.345 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=17 ttl=51 time=51.323 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=18 ttl=51 time=22.239 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=19 ttl=51 time=22.573 ms--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---20 packets transmitted, 20 packets received, 0% packet lossround-trip min/avg/max = 22.000/24.492/51.323 msTracetraceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets1 192.168.1.1 0.378 ms 0.287 ms 0.234 ms2 188.39.0.6 21.007 ms 19.903 ms 20.017 ms3 188.39.0.5 20.249 ms 20.185 ms 20.197 ms4 78.33.141.81 20.476 ms 20.155 ms 20.260 ms5 62.249.192.125 20.426 ms 20.535 ms 20.451 ms6 188.39.127.129 21.037 ms 20.706 ms 20.833 ms7 188.39.127.167 21.021 ms 21.207 ms 20.785 ms8 72.14.221.186 20.588 ms 20.463 ms 20.306 ms9 216.239.47.107 21.318 ms 216.239.47.109 21.904 ms 216.239.47.97 22.024 ms10 209.85.255.143 21.564 ms 209.85.245.35 22.251 ms 216.239.47.111 22.208 ms 11 8.8.8.8 21.858 ms 21.193 ms 21.217 ms My settings are as follows: Port forwarding - disabled Upnp - Enabled (LAN) ipv6 - disabled, dns - auto, MTU - auto (WAN) ipv6 - disabled, MTU - auto Misc settings : upnp - enabled, multicast snooping - enabled, cookies - enabled, wifi workaround - enabled, auto cloud - enabled, bleeding cloud - enabled. The rest is disable. 4. With regards to the geo filtering, if i rated a host and allowed future connections, once i enable strict mode and that host is outside the geo range will the geo filter still allow me to connect to that host? Thats all the questions for now hehe the wiki page and this forum has been immensely helpful whilst ive been setting the router up. I appreciate all the help guys!! #DumaArmy Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted September 11, 2015 Administrators Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hey Teapot, glad to hear you're happy with it, I'll answer your questions 1 by 1 In your current setup the congestion control wouldn't actually work if you have anything connected to the netgear router. I assume you're using it for wireless, in which case I would setup as follows so you can use the congestion control fully, modem > duma > netgear (AP mode if using for wifi). If you're not using it for wifi then you could remove it from your setup all together and just connect everything to the duma So I'd recommend you give this a read at some point https://netduma.com/blog/announcement-unveiling-the-worlds-greatest-qos/its about our newest congestion control coming out soon. If you read it, it shows that even just web browsing can cause spikes, these spikes can be the difference between a kill or being killed. Applying congestion control eliminates these spikes caused by the devices in your home so everyone can use the internet without impacting each other. It does so by preventing a queue of packets. We would always recommend applying it whilst playing to prevent this. It causes some speed decrease (our new one won't at all) but this isn't really an issue as bandwidth has nothing to do with gaming (games use typically very little bandwidth). So you can always put it back to 100% after playing if you're downloading something for example. You mention you have auto&bleeding edge cloud enabled, I'd apply this again to re flush the cloud. I would recommend adding everyone to the allow list so you can ensure you hear them, if they're from the US you should see them getting popped up as blocked, try this or when searching have strict disabled - this is recommended for Destiny anyway Internet diagnosis can indicate issues with your line, so that is the quality of the line you are paying for, not amazing but not too bad at all. The only way to improve upon this would be to talk to your ISP and show them the proof of what you have there. Settings look good! Yes it will, once you've allowed a host you'll always be able to connect to them regardless of your Geo settings/radius etc Hope that helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Thanks for the help frazer, Its cleared a lot up. If i was to keep my current setup (router>duma), should i leave my congestion setting @ 100%? Again, thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted September 11, 2015 Administrators Share Posted September 11, 2015 No problem! Your current setup as modem > netgear > duma leave at 100%. If you change to modem > duma, would put at 70/70 when gaming or using the internet heavily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Thanks Fraser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Internet speeds of 70 down and 18 up. 3. I ran a few internet diagnosis and im wondering if theres anything i can change or alter to get a better reading? Whilst it seems ok, i'd like to know if theres anything i can do to squeeze more juice from it hehe. I have posted the diagnosis results within the spoiler. Ping = Good, Jitter = Good, Spikes = Ok, Packet Loss = No Loss My settings are as follows: Port forwarding - disabled Upnp - Enabled (LAN) ipv6 - disabled, dns - auto, MTU - auto (WAN) ipv6 - disabled, MTU - auto Misc settings : upnp - enabled, multicast snooping - enabled, cookies - enabled, wifi workaround - enabled, auto cloud - enabled, bleeding cloud - enabled. The rest is disable. I just would like to comment on your internet diagnosis results. I have played around with this many times and I just would like to let you know what I did in order to get all exceptionals and no loss. 1. The only problem is my setup is modem>R1>router(AP). So this may or may not work fully for you as it does for me. 2. First- Enter bandwidth into Congestion Control>Set Bandwith -- what you get real world not what you pay for. Run Test 3. Second - Make sure in Congestion Control>Algorithm you have reactive selected -- I have done both and if I select Preemptive I can not get all exceptionals. Run Test 4. Thirdly - Device Prioritisation -- Click Reset Distribution and the Update Distribution Run Test 5. Fourth - You can have VPN enabled, which I don't, but if you do make sure you do not have any devices selected. Run Test 6. Fifth - Now go to Settings>LAN Disable auto DNS servers and change to 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 -- you already have IPv6 disabled and auto MTU should be enabled. Run Test 7. Sixth - Now go to Setting>LAN You already have IPv6 disables and MTU should be enabled. Run Test 8. Last - Go to Settings>Misc Unselect these functions that I believe you might have selected: Enable deep packet processing, Multicast Snooping, Wifi Workaround (you only need this if you have wifi turned on in the R1 anyway), Enable link local IPv6. Run Test Now I say run test after each change that way you can see if it is getting better, worse or staying the same. And it lets you know which change affecting you the most. You do not have to do this if you don't want. I did for the confirmation. Let me know if this helps. Then it will let me know it just wasn't a placebo affect. Lol And if these don't work then you definitely need to call you ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 I really appreciate the reply buck nasssty, im currently in work, but i will be trying that once i get in shortly! Is there something noticably wrong with my line with regards to the log i posted? I wouldnt be to sure what to say to my ISP if i rang them as im not sure what is wrong as such. I did suffer with some line noise a few years back with adsl+2, though i think we got there in the end. The lan DNS settings, basically switch the primary around with the secondary? I have pretty much all those de selected that you mention in point 8. I will be adding a wifi device later, but i will test what you've mentioned and report back. I appreciate it, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 The results are ok but I was thinking maybe we can tweak a few things before actually calling the ISP. These are some changes that worked for me. Because I was able to get my result 100% better I never contacted my ISP so I am not sure what to say to them. I believe some other members have had technicians out and maybe can chime in on what they told them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartanogc Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Im going to try those settings myself tonight! Thanks Buck and we need to play some Destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teapot Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Ok, Firstly, all i did was change my bandwidth, i had 67 down and 17 up, after a speedtest i changed it to 71 down and 17 up, these are the results. Crazy. Ping DiagnosticsRun Test Ping Jitter Spikes Packet Loss Good Exceptional Exceptional No Loss Show Details PingPING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=0 ttl=51 time=22.406 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=1 ttl=51 time=22.095 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=2 ttl=51 time=22.187 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=3 ttl=51 time=22.229 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=4 ttl=51 time=22.585 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=5 ttl=51 time=22.641 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=6 ttl=51 time=22.202 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=7 ttl=51 time=22.487 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=8 ttl=51 time=22.797 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=9 ttl=51 time=22.116 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=10 ttl=51 time=22.166 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=11 ttl=51 time=22.232 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=12 ttl=51 time=22.046 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=13 ttl=51 time=22.609 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=14 ttl=51 time=22.168 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=15 ttl=51 time=22.278 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=16 ttl=51 time=22.304 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=17 ttl=51 time=22.083 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=18 ttl=51 time=22.135 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=19 ttl=51 time=22.231 ms--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---20 packets transmitted, 20 packets received, 0% packet lossround-trip min/avg/max = 22.046/22.299/22.797 ms Tracetraceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets1 192.168.1.1 0.309 ms 0.248 ms 0.236 ms2 188.39.0.6 21.343 ms 19.947 ms 20.515 ms3 188.39.0.5 20.449 ms 20.180 ms 20.245 ms4 78.33.141.81 20.865 ms 20.454 ms 20.518 ms5 62.249.192.125 20.646 ms 20.418 ms 20.764 ms6 188.39.127.129 21.212 ms 20.913 ms 21.243 ms7 188.39.127.167 23.156 ms 20.979 ms 21.223 ms8 72.14.221.186 20.452 ms 20.394 ms 20.557 ms9 216.239.47.109 23.916 ms 216.239.47.95 21.893 ms 216.239.47.109 21.953 ms10 216.239.47.225 21.840 ms 209.85.255.143 21.530 ms 209.85.242.91 21.702 ms11 8.8.8.8 21.783 ms 21.252 ms 21.258 ms I went through and changed the settings that were recommended, most of which had the same results as above. When i disabled wifi workaroud and multicast snooping the test results changed to good good good no loss. I had to pop out on a message, when i returned i ran the exact same test and it returned different results (exactly like the screenshot above), very strange, so the results are certainly fluctuating regardless of certain settings. Its still better than before I appreciate the help buck nasssty & fraser. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted September 11, 2015 Administrators Share Posted September 11, 2015 Awesome, let us know if you need any further help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLDSHOTER Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 sorry little late tried this last night Buck nasty for CoD it works like a charm of actually now being able to use the geo filter enabled with very little to no lag Modem > Netduma > Netgear in AP mode with all that instructed below hit detection is crisp basically no lag with AW xbox one I APPROVE THIS THREAD I just would like to comment on your internet diagnosis results. I have played around with this many times and I just would like to let you know what I did in order to get all exceptionals and no loss. 1. The only problem is my setup is modem>R1>router(AP). So this may or may not work fully for you as it does for me. 2. First- Enter bandwidth into Congestion Control>Set Bandwith -- what you get real world not what you pay for. Run Test 3. Second - Make sure in Congestion Control>Algorithm you have reactive selected -- I have done both and if I select Preemptive I can not get all exceptionals. Run Test 4. Thirdly - Device Prioritisation -- Click Reset Distribution and the Update Distribution Run Test 5. Fourth - You can have VPN enabled, which I don't, but if you do make sure you do not have any devices selected. Run Test 6. Fifth - Now go to Settings>LAN Disable auto DNS servers and change to 8.8.4.4 and 8.8.8.8 -- you already have IPv6 disabled and auto MTU should be enabled. Run Test 7. Sixth - Now go to Setting>LAN You already have IPv6 disables and MTU should be enabled. Run Test 8. Last - Go to Settings>Misc Unselect these functions that I believe you might have selected: Enable deep packet processing, Multicast Snooping, Wifi Workaround (you only need this if you have wifi turned on in the R1 anyway), Enable link local IPv6. Run Test Now I say run test after each change that way you can see if it is getting better, worse or staying the same. And it lets you know which change affecting you the most. You do not have to do this if you don't want. I did for the confirmation. Let me know if this helps. Then it will let me know it just wasn't a placebo affect. Lol And if these don't work then you definitely need to call you ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLDSHOTER Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 as of changing the settings and arrangement this is my network diagnostics today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PharmDawgg Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 as of changing the settings and arrangement this is my network diagnostics today Glad to hear it is working for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Just in case... I wanted to share my experience with regard to Item 4 of your inquiries... While the answer is 'yes' do note that it appears this is only for the duration that your friend has said IP at the time you 'allowed' him. I've just recently discovered that as soon as my friends with DHCP have their IP changed by their ISP, the geo-filter no longer let them in, i.e., I had to click on their circle thingee and 're-allow' them. Maybe it's just me or maybe this is a general understanding for most... but thought I'd chime in here as an FYI in case you weren't aware of this. Cheers! -n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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