BO3 & eSports

[PuppetMaster]

I'm not a fan of eSports. IMO I believe it's what been killing CoD but It actually interest me in BO3. 

[lukasz]

Ban and protecd seems like a grate thing. Plus they have all the stuff available to go for.

 

I was even thinking about some sort of system like band and protec in public games. Thats maybe to crazy.

 

Defenetly will try some Arena as that will be as closue to compet. As possible.

[MarssNL]

I'm not a fan of eSports. IMO I believe it's what been killing CoD but It actually interest me in BO3. 

I'm curious, so many people talk about how eSports have killed CoD, but nobody tells why. 

 

I support eSports myself, I think it's good for the industry, because CoD killed itself with very bad games. Also the eSports community don't like the recent games (Ghosts, AW)

 

The reason that CoD is still alive is beacause of eSports imo. 

[procreate]

because as soon as they [developers] started to focus on trying to be a "competitive" game over a fun arcade shooter is when it went into its big decline.... most marked by BO2. the community at large gave up on playing and the huge playerbase decline happened. once those people left, they never really came back and moved onto other things. lobbies became filled with tryhards and sucked the joy out of getting together with friends playing some CoD. Ghosts wasnt a bad game at all, i bet if it came out instead of MW3 it would have been received far better.... but then BO2 came out with Vahn sucking the dicks of the competitive scene and the game went to shit. it got all cheesy and douchey with the CoD "Championship" and then all the "pro" teams came in with all the YTers up their collective twats... the better YTers left doing videos and we got left with corporate shills that we have now, which is also ruining the game.

 

esports is CoDs life support now for the skeleton of players left in the game.... although CoD is not much of a competitive game regardless of what they have tried to do and never will be as long as it runs on the engine they are using.

[PuppetMaster]

I'm curious, so many people talk about how eSports have killed CoD, but nobody tells why. 

 

I support eSports myself, I think it's good for the industry, because CoD killed itself with very bad games. Also the eSports community don't like the recent games (Ghosts, AW)

 

The reason that CoD is still alive is beacause of eSports imo. 

When they design patches they take the opinions of "Pro" players over the general consensus. They'll nerf, buff, or change things to make it better for eSports. What is better for eSports isn't necessarily better for the normal players. All of the changes made for eSports have the effect of sterilizing the base game, making every match play the same, having every variable accounted for. Its boring and detrimental to the end user.

[Dillinger]

When they designs patches they take the opinions of "Pro" players over the general consensus. They'll nerf, buff, or change things to make it better for eSports. What is better for eSports isn't necessarily better for the normal players. All of the changes made for eSports have the effect of sterilizing the base game, making every match play the same, having every variable accounted for. Its boring and detrimental to the end user.

 

I don't disagree with the sentiment you expressed, but a large picture might be needed to fully grasp the why.

 

ESports, good or bad, is a collection of players that grind the game and find exploits (like the leg gap in statues).  They have a collective voice, that they have learned to use very effectively.  YouTubers that have hundreds of thousands of viewers/subs don't have as large a voice, because it's each and every YT'er for themselves.  

 

When Legend of Thunder wanted to get TDM permanently raised to 125 per kill, in Blops 2 because killing is the only objective, he was trying to get it trending for months.  It really didn't catch on until some other YT'ers got on board and even then the message was messed up like some game of Telephone, so they put in a special playlist for TDM 150 per kill on a short term basis.  

 

eSports brings in viewers and gets exposure for the product outside of the YT subscriber market.  Why do you think the pros can never say anything negative about the game until the final couple of months before the new title?   Say what you want about the Ali-A and TMartn videos, the world championships and the X games bring in a lot of viewers, which gives the game extra exposure that can't normally be reached because not everyone likes those guys.  They make videos for kids.  Kids who aren't old enough to buy the game, and who don't have money of their own, so they rely on their parents to purchase it for them.

 

eSports is basically year long marketing for the game.  There are tournaments every weekend and there is a major LAN just about every month.  In addition you have artificially, fair or not, created a fantasy where a kid can "grow up" and play videos games for money (YT, Twitch, Tournaments, Wagers).  As a child/tween/teenager, who wouldn't want to play games all day/night and live with your friends in a team house?

 

Until we have a group of players that have a collective voice, like the pros do, what are the developers supposed to do?  Take the angry twitters posts at face value? Hold community forums at Eagles' Lodges and solicit feedback? 

 

Just because you and I say something is OP, doesn't mean that impartially it really is overpowered.  We could just be haters.

 

If the community wanted to kill eSports, they could very easily.  But they don't, because people like to live vicariously through other's successes just like with every other "sport" people follow.

[procreate]

When Legend of Thunder wanted to get TDM permanently raised to 125 per kill, in Blops 2 because killing is the only objective, he was trying to get it trending for months.  It really didn't catch on until some other YT'ers got on board and even then the message was messed up like some game of Telephone, so they put in a special playlist for TDM 150 per kill on a short term basis.  

 

 

yeah for a short time... and made TDM tolerable, then went back to shit. that game was flawed on so many levels beyond connection.

 

and now we are back to this douchebag vahn making a horrid game again. when will activision learn they suck as developers? when they finally sell more than IW?

[ManleyPalmerHall]

Dont think CoD involves eough skill to be an eSport.

 

CSGO is much more suited

[Dillinger]

Dont think CoD involves eough skill to be an eSport.

 

CSGO is much more suited

 

Anything can be a sport or e-sport.  Take competitive minded people and give them the same game/physical activity/strategy objective/etc to play.  Tell them there will be a tournament/title/championship belt or a date with "Maxim hottie of the moment" for playing that game and stand back.

[wrathoftank]

because as soon as they [developers] started to focus on trying to be a "competitive" game over a fun arcade shooter is when it went into its big decline.... most marked by BO2. the community at large gave up on playing and the huge playerbase decline happened. once those people left, they never really came back and moved onto other things. lobbies became filled with tryhards and sucked the joy out of getting together with friends playing some CoD. Ghosts wasnt a bad game at all, i bet if it came out instead of MW3 it would have been received far better.... but then BO2 came out with Vahn sucking the dicks of the competitive scene and the game went to shit. it got all cheesy and douchey with the CoD "Championship" and then all the "pro" teams came in with all the YTers up their collective twats... the better YTers left doing videos and we got left with corporate shills that we have now, which is also ruining the game.

 

esports is CoDs life support now for the skeleton of players left in the game.... although CoD is not much of a competitive game regardless of what they have tried to do and never will be as long as it runs on the engine they are using.

 

 

yeah for a short time... and made TDM tolerable, then went back to shit. that game was flawed on so many levels beyond connection.

 

and now we are back to this douchebag vahn making a horrid game again. when will activision learn they suck as developers? when they finally sell more than IW?

I have to respectfully disagree with you on treyarch and vahn killing cod and making horrible games.  It would seem to me that they are keeping COD afloat along with eSports.  What has been killing COD is connection issues, skilled based matchmaking, and imo Infinity Ward (a shell of it's former self).

 

If you take a look back I think you'd see that when MW3 was released, everyone purchased the game with extraordinarily high expectations (myself included) which is why it sold more than any other COD.  What we got was lag comp, fugly graphics, crappy maps, unbalanced gameplay that everyone on youtube complained about and hated (many cod channels quit all together), which is why MW3 is usually a top 3 most hated COD game of all time (along Ghost and AW). However both BO1 and BO2 are usually considered amongst the best COD games. It also seems that most people (especially on youtube) think that the BO3 will be one of the greatest CODs of all time.

 

Treyarch is by no means perfect, they've always struggled with connections and although many forget, they were the first to implement a more aggressive skill based matchmaking system in BO2 (toned down later though).  However they are known to bring some of the best maps, game modes, balanced gun/gameplay and fun killstreaks.

 

Also, I don't think competitive is killing COD, maybe MLG was, but not competitive.  I believe now that tournaments will be streamed on twitch or any place other than MLG, popularity will rise.

[PuppetMaster]

I have to respectfully disagree with you on treyarch and vahn killing cod and making horrible games.  It would seem to me that they are keeping COD afloat along with eSports.  What has been killing COD is connection issues, skilled based matchmaking, and imo Infinity Ward (a shell of it's former self).

 

If you take a look back I think you'd see that when MW3 was released, everyone purchased the game with extraordinarily high expectations (myself included) which is why it sold more than any other COD.  What we got was lag comp, fugly graphics, crappy maps, unbalanced gameplay that everyone on youtube complained about and hated (many cod channels quit all together), which is why MW3 is usually a top 3 most hated COD game of all time (along Ghost and AW). However both BO1 and BO2 are usually considered amongst the best COD games. It also seems that most people (especially on youtube) think that the BO3 will be one of the greatest CODs of all time.

 

Treyarch is by no means perfect, they've always struggled with connections and although many forget, they were the first to implement a more aggressive skill based matchmaking system in BO2 (toned down later though).  However they are known to bring some of the best maps, game modes, balanced gun/gameplay and fun killstreaks.

 

Also, I don't think competitive is killing COD, maybe MLG was, but not competitive.  I believe now that tournaments will be streamed on twitch or any place other than MLG, popularity will rise.

IMO Treyarch has made 2 of the 3 worst CoDs(BO1 & BO2) AW being the worst. Since BO2(the game being catered to eSports) the sales of CoD have plummeted & TBH Treyarch has never had a balanced game. That being said the beta for BO3 blew me away. The reason? It felt like an old school CoD with just enough new for the younger generation. 

 

P.S. there has never been an IW game I hated.

[II N3MES1S II]

Funny to see all these comments on Treyarch but they are actually the better half of COD.

 

WaW hands down is the best of the series then there is the rest and to point out AW is actually not bad at all and better than the rest.

 

Too early to speak on BO3 but it seems decent.

[PuppetMaster]

Funny to see all these comments on Treyarch but they are actually the better half of COD.

 

WaW hands down is the best of the series then there is the rest and to point out AW is actually not bad at all and better than the rest.

 

Too early to speak on BO3 but it seems decent.

imo W@W is 3arch best CoD. Loved that game.

[TEH BUTCHER]

BO3 is somewhat of a revival IMO it's such a good game. Easily my favorite COD so far.

[chibucks]

IMO Treyarch has made 2 of the 3 worst CoDs(BO1 & BO2) AW being the worst. Since BO2(the game being catered to eSports) the sales of CoD have plummeted & TBH Treyarch has never had a balanced game. That being said the beta for BO3 blew me away. The reason? It felt like an old school CoD with just enough new for the younger generation. 

 

P.S. there has never been an IW game I hated.

 

you liked ghosts??

[skschatzman]

I'm not a fan of eSports. IMO I believe it's what been killing CoD but It actually interest me in BO3. 

   Wait a minute..... what the heck is this talk of Esports killing COD? That is like saying Earth is flat. It isn't a perfect sphere, but that is not the point. The franchise gets bigger and more popular every year. The sales numbers don't lie and it is public information. Esports publicizes COD. Why would Esports exist if it was killing COD? Your statement makes no literal sense. There have been a few releases that has put a bad taste in a few mouths, but outright saying anything has been killing COD is just plain obtuse ignorance.

 

IMO Treyarch has made 2 of the 3 worst CoDs(BO1 & BO2) AW being the worst. Since BO2(the game being catered to eSports) the sales of CoD have plummeted & TBH Treyarch has never had a balanced game. That being said the beta for BO3 blew me away. The reason? It felt like an old school CoD with just enough new for the younger generation. 

 

P.S. there has never been an IW game I hated.

 

   Again where the heck is this nonsense coming from? BO2 thrusted the franchise forward with skyrocketed sales. This is public information. Making up false information because you didn't like a game or two just makes you look like a pathological liar. I can understand you like old school COD, but that isn't the direction this game went. Getting but hurt about it isn't going to fix anything.To date, the franchise has sold over 250 million copies (not counting digital sales).

[PuppetMaster]

   Wait a minute..... what the heck is this talk of Esports killing COD? That is like saying Earth is flat. It isn't a perfect sphere, but that is not the point. The franchise gets bigger and more popular every year. The sales numbers don't lie and it is public information. Esports publicizes COD. Why would Esports exist if it was killing COD? Your statement makes no literal sense. There have been a few releases that has put a bad taste in a few mouths, but outright saying anything has been killing COD is just plain obtuse ignorance.

 

 

   Again where the heck is this nonsense coming from? BO2 thrusted the franchise forward with skyrocketed sales. This is public information. Making up false information because you didn't like a game or two just makes you look like a pathological liar. I can understand you like old school COD, but that isn't the direction this game went. Getting but hurt about it isn't going to fix anything.To date, the franchise has sold over 250 million copies (not counting digital sales).

After MW3 The sales have died every year. BO3 is the first game to go up in sales 4 years.

[PuppetMaster]

you liked ghosts??

Yes i did. May have been the most boring but I liked it.

[Lena]

I don't think CoD should be an eSports game because it has a lot of huge fundamental flaws and the biggest one is ADS

 

Keep the game casual and stop catering towards the 1% aka "pros"

 

How many copies were sold during CoD Champs 2015? The competitive side is NOT played how you bought the game. People can NOT relate. That's why NOBODY watches it