Kwee Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I've notice I'm having bad results with download bufferbloat. Just started happing the other day, before this I was getting great results. this first test was what I was getting before and been stable for months https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=517c20ec-5b70-4332-a4d9-f6cece8fee4f this is with the high download bufferbloat that I'm now getting all the time on each test. I've seen download active hit over 100MS in some cases. https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=67e31bea-c2f0-4af4-b715-4c3dd6c1543a could this be caused by QoS with fiber 1000 up and down? I can't seem to pin point the issues. I have my sliders at 90% for both I have flow control turned off on the Intel ethernet controller, I was told to always have this off when using QoS I wish these routers came with SQM Instead of QoS. Seems like SQM is way better at killing bufferbloat issues then QoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 7, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 7, 2022 I wouldn't worry too much about this, bufferbloat only occurs when your connection is saturated and at your speeds this is very unlikely to happen. It's also likely that Traffic Prioritization is skewing the test results. SQM is just a type of QoS. Kwee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richb-hanover Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Let's talk about your experience here: Do you ever have transitory bad performance/lack of responsiveness (lag during gaming, breaking up during voice or videoconference calls)? If not, you're probably fine. (Rich's Second Law of Networking is, "If you're happy, then I'm happy.") But if you do see evidence for a lack of responsiveness, and especially if the Waveform or DSL Reports tests indicate additional latency, then you're going to need to find a different solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 I get packet loss in warzone sometimes. It's just hard to tell if it's game related or on my side. my connection will post great results on waveform then a few test later it's getting bufferbloat again for some reason I can't use dslreports anymore. I think it might be that I'm using duckduckgo and Ublock on my google browser. Plus I still get random results on the connection benchmark on DumaOS. Just be nice to find some way to pin point the issue dead on and keep the connection stable for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 9, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 9, 2022 48 minutes ago, Kwee said: I get packet loss in warzone sometimes. It's just hard to tell if it's game related or on my side. my connection will post great results on waveform then a few test later it's getting bufferbloat again for some reason I can't use dslreports anymore. I think it might be that I'm using duckduckgo and Ublock on my google browser. Plus I still get random results on the connection benchmark on DumaOS. Just be nice to find some way to pin point the issue dead on and keep the connection stable for once. Follow this guide while saturating your connection with downloads/streams etc and change the Congestion Control percentages (while set to always) to see what lowers the graph as much as possible http://support.netduma.com/en/support/solutions/articles/16000074717-how-to-test-your-internet-ping Also if you haven't done so already, ALL devices should be connected to the XR for QoS to work optimally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 getting 1.5-2 packet-loss on hop 8 but the graph is stable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DumaGuy2021 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I had this issue. Kwee have you tried disabling ipv6 and rebooting and then retesting qos? Should work then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 Ya I have IPV6 disabled on XR1000 and at&t modem this was my test from today. Sometimes waveform test likes my connection. internet connections are so unpredictable sometimes. https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=6f9eb215-5534-4470-a87d-91a008432338 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Liam Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 14 hours ago, Kwee said: Ya I have IPV6 disabled on XR1000 and at&t modem this was my test from today. Sometimes waveform test likes my connection. internet connections are so unpredictable sometimes. https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=6f9eb215-5534-4470-a87d-91a008432338 That looks better, did gameplay also feel better at this time? Just to double check, are all devices on the network connected to the XR1000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 Gaming is pretty solid, I notice when I leave QoS on Never I get better reports on bufferbloat test. The QoS Test recommends I leave sliders at 100% every time I run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 11, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kwee said: Gaming is pretty solid, I notice when I leave QoS on Never I get better reports on bufferbloat test. The QoS Test recommends I leave sliders at 100% every time I run it Auto Setup is still being improved upon but if that is what feels best for your connection then you can leave it at that. Traffic Prioritization will still be prioritizing the game so still benefiting from QoS there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 12 hours ago, Netduma Liam said: That looks better, did gameplay also feel better at this time? Just to double check, are all devices on the network connected to the XR1000? It feels pretty good. Going to run some more test and see if it stays stable over time. I just had a 18 kill game on Rebirth so I'm guessing it's solid for now😉 congestion control set on Never https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=0d4198ec-63bb-4c9e-9065-23096aa15f07 70% on both sliders with Congestion control on Always https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=fb1f8eb2-a73f-4b69-aac3-51f7d40fa4c5 seems like the test is really effected on the download when QoS is enabled, upload seems the same and stable. I will say when I have QoS ENABLED and run pingplotter test it shows a clean stable graph on the bottom. So like Fraser has told me, it could just be traffic control giving it false results. So would the best option still be to use congestion control since that could be a false test result>?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=086d975a-ba57-497d-b912-d1cd856b3dac Just ran this test, it's showing A+ but still saying I have low latency gaming issues. This is driving me nuts lol this is with congestion control set to Never. if you look at unloaded details it's showing I had a ping spike at 100ms and 8.8 jitter. when I get a higher upload speed on the test I get these results, But when you see the test with my upload cut in half it's better. I don't see why my upload keeps going from 400+mbps to 800mbps on the same test. https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=c07f3f4c-84dd-4240-9642-70c30788cd96 the test showing the lower upload speed but all settings are still the same with congestion control set to Never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 12, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 12, 2022 Traffic Prioritization can adversely affect those tests as well so may not be 100% accurate. If PingPlotter shows a nice healthy graph with QoS enabled when you're saturating the connection with downloads/streams with 70% for example then that is the value I would suggest using. Kwee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Ok so Now I'm using 100% on download slider and 98% on upload and getting solid results now. ping plotter likes it and waveform test likes it. So, I'm going to keep it this way for now. I also played around with Traffic Prioritization and don't really notice a difference with it On or off. My hit reg on games seems no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Kwee said: Ok so Now I'm using 100% on download slider and 98% on upload and getting solid results now. ping plotter likes it and waveform test likes it. So, I'm going to keep it this way for now. I also played around with Traffic Prioritization and don't really notice a difference with it On or off. My hit reg on games seems no different. Add a Traffic Prio rule with Apply to WAN enabled, if your ISP supports priority tags you should definitely notice a difference. Either way glad you found values that work best for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 33 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Add a Traffic Prio rule with Apply to WAN enabled, if your ISP supports priority tags you should definitely notice a difference. Either way glad you found values that work best for you! I'm on at&t fiber 1g up and down. how can I check if my ISP is using these tags? I also can't use my own modem so I must use IP passthrough with this old ass BGW210-700 modem from at&t Going to try it with WAN enabled. I'm on PC so using game console on normal default with apply WAN should work with warzone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 13, 2022 Easiest way would be to ask them really. If it’s not supported it won’t negatively affect you so definitely worth a try. Yes it would work for any device/game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 I also wanted to know what would be the best method for IP passthrough? I'm using The DHCPS-FIXED method right now. I wanna try the manual way but don't see where I can configure the WAN on dumaOS, I guess you can...Manually configure your device to use the WAN IP address, default gateway, and Subnet mask provided to you by customer care. https://www.att.com/support/smallbusiness/article/smb-internet/KM1188700 Here's the 3 different methods. Pretty sure I'm using the right one already, just wanna make sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 13, 2022 If it changes then dynamic otherwise fixed is fine. That would be in Internet Setup on the first page of Settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 I notice the passtrhough DHCP Lease is at 10minutes, Should I change that to 99 days? Just did a ping plotter for about 10mins, I do see spikes every few mins showing spikes around 20-28ms from 13ms, this is just from me running HD videos from youtube. I run about 3-4 videos on my PC and just let them run for 10-20mins and look back at the graph when it's done. I also have my tv running a video and my Kids IPAD so I can flood the network. Is it ok to be changing the % on congestion control when pingplotter is active or start a brand new test each time you make a change to the router to get a real result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 13, 2022 Yes I would suggest changing it to the max time it allows. It's better to look at PingPlotter while that is happening so you can change Congestion Control on the fly and see how it affects the ping but on the whole that's not too bad a jump Kwee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said: If it changes then dynamic otherwise fixed is fine. That would be in Internet Setup on the first page of Settings I just looked under internet setup on the XR1000 and the setting is on "get dynamically from isp" should I switch that to use static IP address since I'm using the DCHP Fixed method on IP passthrough mode or just switch IP passthrough mode to dynamic on the modem? I'm not sure if this will even change anything performance wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted January 13, 2022 It won't change anything performance wise and there is no need to change it, the XR will get the IP from the modem and as you've set that as static there it doesn't need to be done on the XR but you can do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwee Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share Posted January 14, 2022 Any idea why people recommend turning off flow control on the NIC? I always read to turn that off when using any type of QoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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