procreate Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 they say "killcams are an approximation" but there is a difference in approximation and reality. reality is due to where people are at a given time and if i am shooting a person and they are say 10' from me and in the killcam are right upon me knifing me and no gunfire goes off on my part it is NOT an approximation but the reality of LAG. if anyone else things different they are fooling themselves and buying into the poor programming of activisions companies. i think the killcams are probably more correct than they say they are.... it is the reality of their poor programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KayOneX-24 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 they say "killcams are an approximation" but there is a difference in approximation and reality. reality is due to where people are at a given time and if i am shooting a person and they are say 10' from me and in the killcam are right upon me knifing me and no gunfire goes off on my part it is NOT an approximation but the reality of LAG. if anyone else things different they are fooling themselves and buying into the poor programming of activisions companies. i think the killcams are probably more correct than they say they are.... it is the reality of their poor programming. Sounds plausible. The camera in-game is out of sync, but this may not be the case for the killcam. Possible. Then the game would be an approximation and the killcam would be the only reliable source of what's actually happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted June 21, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted June 21, 2015 They are just an approximation. If you want real time recording use theatre mode (from the CoDs that have it). That is pretty accurate. There are many ways to tell how a kill cam is an approximation. 1) If for example while killing someone, you shot through glass and broke it, when the person watches the kill cam the glass will already be broken. 2) If you throw a smoke and the smoke is visible in the kill cam you will see that it hasn't flowed the same way and it is different to what it was in the game.That shows that kill cams are just an approximation because those inaccuracies could mean that in a kill cam you kill someone in smoke and they aren't visible but when you actually killed them you could see them perfectly fine. In this video (from the time I have linked) it shows how the kill cam didn't show what happened on either of the players screen. I'm not entirely sure what you were trying to say in your post so I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said but I have based my understanding of kill cams on the above information and also other videos I have watched (and things that have happened to me in game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranium2001 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 Sounds plausible. The camera in-game is out of sync, but this may not be the case for the killcam. Possible. Then the game would be an approximation and the killcam would be the only reliable source of what's actually happening. What's happening on the "right" side of the battle. I have been the final killer and even said "That's not what happened". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby jugs Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 What's happening on the "right" side of the battle. I have been the final killer and even said "That's not what happened". i had a game last week where i had to lol. i got the final kill with one burst of a holepuncher and the cam blatantly showed a second bullshit burst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdoch Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 This vid I was running along a wall and got shot in the back. On the kill cam the enemy was running in front of me and I pass him than get shot in the back. http://youtu.be/VrW2hz7xuS0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KayOneX-24 Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 This vid I was running along a wall and got shot in the back. On the kill cam the enemy was running in front of me and I pass him than get shot in the back. http://youtu.be/VrW2hz7xuS0 This clearly proves what's going wrong. Thanks for sharing the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziocomposite Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 That last video is epic.... Had to pause just to record and all lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdoch Posted June 21, 2015 Share Posted June 21, 2015 I couldn't believe it when it happened. That was the moment I started searching for some answers. Enter....... Netduma R1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procreate Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 Actually next they will get rid of them like leaderboards, playercounts and stats.I can't remember what made me post this but I know it was of massive differences in lag that required actions that would not if been possible otherwise, like rounding a corner etc. or i guess the approximation is less than lag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procreate Posted June 22, 2015 Author Share Posted June 22, 2015 They are just an approximation. If you want real time recording use theatre mode (from the CoDs that have it). That is pretty accurate. not really, i did this video on theater mode a while back https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ0gFonTXc8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dali86 Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 It's really funny how EA or Dice improved the BF4 Netcode after a few months and Activision can not improve it for so many years. Great video - you nailed it procreate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JConnor Posted June 22, 2015 Share Posted June 22, 2015 It goes without saying, but there is always going to be latency when playing online as well as a small amount in Theater Mode because of how consoles / PCs work when they are both hosting and/or recording data. The latency in the latter should not even be noticeable, but we also have to remember if you are the host, your machine is having to basically average 72 possible game worlds into a fairly consistent and coherent game play experience. This is where latency rears its ugly head and why we have WTF? moments as well as insta-kills, no hit markers, only hit markers, etc. The only way to get around any of these technological and physical limitations to be able to play in (actual) real time is quantum mechanics (faster than the speed of light). So, I'm not saying the netcode couldn't be better. However, this is why we have the Netduma. It helps optimize the connection(s) on at least one players end which helps at least one, or two others who may be closer to the host / server as well. It's the other eight, or nine players we have no control over who can drastically effect the game beyond what the R1 is capable of controlling simply because of where they are connecting from and the quality (or lack thereof) of their connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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