Months later and still doesn't work

[Freyja]

I am tech savy and have tried to get this to work. it works for maybe one day and then it doesn't. I have reset it, i have even hard reset it. I play black ops 3 with my husband and we are the sweaty kind of people. We are try hards and he is more so than me. We game sitting next to each other in the same room and seems we have to switch on who gets the best connection in a lobby. We both can't seem to have good games. we live next to orlando FL also and our internet speed is 24 down and 2 up at its best. we have the geo filter that barely touches mexico, i will include a screenshot. However we get people from south america every time and frequently europe. i have strict mode on and radius of 1200 km and how the heck is this happening? 

 

We have looked at so many videos trying to help us deduce this and read the wiki and forum for days and tried everything... we have disabled the vpn and made sure the port forwarding was enabled and made sure the software is updated. The people in the lobby get lag compensated because of us. They see us before we see them, shows in the kill cams everytime. We don't lag but they still do and it's so frustrating paying $200 and still not being able to fix this. 

 

My only thing is that maybe this isn't suited for people who game next to each other on the same connection. I don't know, and I doubt that i can hear the golden answer that will help me. My husband is wanting me to post a topic on our duma and in hopes it can be solved. at this point it will soon be an over glorified door stop for my front door. 

[ColonicBoom]

1. We both can't seem to have good games.

 

2. However we get people from south america every time and frequently europe. i have strict mode on and radius of 1200 km and how the heck is this happening? 

 

3. The people in the lobby get lag compensated because of us.

 

4. They see us before we see them, shows in the kill cams everytime.

 

 

Hi Freyja,

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

I'm afraid you're slightly misunderstanding how the Netduma works (what it does), I will go through your questions/points and can hopefully clear up some of the confusion.

 

1. I'm not sure what you are saying here...

Do you mean that one of you is laggy but the other isn't?

What do you mean by "switch on the who gets the good connection"? How are you 'switching'?

Or do you simply mean that you don't both do well in the same game?

If it's the former; perhaps there is a setup issue, it could be a lot of things, maybe as simple as a bad cable.

If it's the latter; this is quite common and to be expected, I play in a party of three most of the time - usually two of us do very well and one not quite as well, or one does well and two don't do quite as well. It's much rarer that all three of us will be 'awesome' at the same time.

 

2. The Geo Filter + Ping Assist features work to control the host that you connect to, they do not control who else can join the lobby.

You use it to force yourself to only join hosts within your geo filter range and/or hosts within a specific ping, you can rate hosts that you find play badly so that they are blocked in the future but you are not able to control who else is able to join that same host.

Because you are relatively close to South America, you will likely get South American gamers on that server as well. European gamers on US servers is less likely as we have our own servers but it's certainly possible.

I could force the US servers to allow me to play there if I chose to do so but I also could not stop you from playing on the European servers if you wanted to.

 

3. I assume you think that you are being punished for having a better connection but this is not how lag compensation works.

You are not being punished at least (although I know it certainly seems like it).

 

Lag compensation basically crunches timing data and then determines whether or not each person was on target when they actually pulled the trigger.

If the aim is good then bullets hit and the player takes damage, if the aim is not good then bullets miss and no damage is dealt.

Obviously in the time it takes for the server/participants to catch up, you could get round a corner on your screen but then you die, so you think you have escaped when in reality the other person might have blown your head off but you just don't know it yet.

It's extremely frustrating and it happens to all of us but if lag compensation didn't exist then we wouldn't know where to aim, we'd basically be shooting at ghosts because the target wouldn't be in the same place on our screen, or the sever, or their own screen. We'd have to 'lead' our shots ahead of the target and would probably not hit anything at all.

 

4. You should never use the kill cam to determine: who fired first, where they aimed, how many bullets they fired, where they hit you.

It simply isn't accurate and is only for 'entertainment'. We all see bizarre things in the killcams and we always have done back as far as I can remember (CoD Modern Warfare). They have never been very accurate and can rarely be relied on for anything more than who actually killed you and where they were.

 

*Your geo filter is set over a relatively small amount of land and (unless you have literally the best internet in the world) your Ping Assist value is set too low to be doing anything.

If there is no dedicated server within that Geo filter range then you are likely forcing yourself onto P2P hosts and from my experience P2P on BO3 is absolutely terrible.

You need to set your ping assist value to your 'base ping' + 20ms, that could improve things drastically. You could also try moving your geo filter to have less ocean within it and a bit further away from South America. Or alternatively put your Geo filter in the middle of the ocean and just adjust the ping assist value until you can find games.

NB. When you make changes to the Geo/PA settings, I think you need to wait for two minutes before they fully take effect (due to the anti-cheat).

 

Hopefully that last bit will help, let me know how it goes.

[Urge]

""Your geo filter is set over a relatively small amount of land and (unless you have literally the best internet in the world) your Ping Assist value is set too low to be doing anything.

 

If there is no dedicated server within that Geo filter range then you are likely forcing yourself onto P2P hosts and from my experience P2P on BO3 is absolutely terrible.

You need to set your ping assist value to your 'base ping' + 20ms, that could improve things drastically. You could also try moving your geo filter to have less ocean within it and a bit further away from South America. Or alternatively put your Geo filter in the middle of the ocean and just adjust the ping assist value until you can find games.

NB. When you make changes to the Geo/PA settings, I think you need to wait for two minutes before they fully take effect (due to the anti-cheat).""

 

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Most likely they are playing on the PS4.  In that case that geo would be fine.  The have 2-3 possible dedi's that they would be hitting -  Florida, New Orleans and maybe Atanta. 

 

But they will definitely see South Americans connect to those servers and even though Europe has it's own servers they still send plenty of Europeans to the American Server.  There is no way to stop that though, as you mentioned.   When i played CoD on the PS4, I was on the New Jersey server which is much more North than they are and still saw a ton of South Americans.  Twice even seeing the entire room from Europe and the middle East.  Kid you not - I was the only American on the American server.  That's when i completely quit playing it on the PS and moved to the Xbox servers.  You can still see other people join your lobbies from far out but its much less frequent.

[Freyja]

1. When i meant switching for some reason we both can't have good solid games. where one doesn't feel as if they are seeing us first. It seems to differ between us. I am not touching anything or switching anything

 

2.i have two dedicated servers in that radius, one in florida and one in georgia. It never seems to stay with people in this country. Most times i get over 4 blips from south america every time.

 

I don't have ping assist at 5 as stated in the picture. i usually have it at 30 or 35. I was trying a few things this morning. Like i said I can't get it to work solid with both me and my husband playing at the same time. It is always a different experience for him and myself when we are playing and every match is different from the last. 

 

and yes we play on the ps4

[UK_Wildcats_Fans]

I have friends in Florida, North Carolina, Mississippi and Alabama.  Depending on who is host, we often get that servers that you discussed.  I am very surprised at how often we get players from Puerto Rico, southern most parts of Mexico, Guadalajara and south America.   We get melted by these players when they are in the game.  With the high ping and terrible internet for these players, it is almost impossible to get good games.

 

This is the fault of BO3.   I miss the option of playing with country/region specific players.  

[Urge]

1. When i meant switching for some reason we both can't have good solid games. where one doesn't feel as if they are seeing us first. It seems to differ between us. I am not touching anything or switching anything

 

2.i have two dedicated servers in that radius, one in florida and one in georgia. It never seems to stay with people in this country. Most times i get over 4 blips from south america every time.

 

I don't have ping assist at 5 as stated in the picture. i usually have it at 30 or 35. I was trying a few things this morning. Like i said I can't get it to work solid with both me and my husband playing at the same time. It is always a different experience for him and myself when we are playing and every match is different from the last. 

 

and yes we play on the ps4

 

Hi Freyja,

 

1.  You should be able to game fine with two gamers in the same house.  It's not gonna affect one and not the other.  Perhaps one of you are just on top of your game and the other isn't at that time.  Could be getting out played or wrong time wrong place scenerio.   But if one of you would be getting affected, i would think it would be solved with the congestion control settings.  70/70 is what is recommended.  And you would probably run that on pre-emptive at 70/70 unless you have an extremely fast internet service.   When i play ESO at night with the wife - she does say she see's quite a bit of lag on her system that i don't.  In my case, my system is hardwired into the router and she is playing wi-fi which will also make a difference.  Perhaps you are doing something similar as well?

 

2.  The geo filter is working right if you are getting those two dedi's within your radius.  It lets you pick the area that you want to be hosted and even allow/tempory ban host, but sorry, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to keep people out. 

[UK_Wildcats_Fans]

Another option to try other servers by moving your home location and radius so that are further north and/or west.  These servers are less likely to get the central and south American players.

 

For BO3, I found that a Netduma host ping of 50-60mS play better for me than 15-30mS.  Therefore, moving to a further server may make your gaming better to avoid the other players.

[Freyja]

Yea i tried moving the home location to midwest and to north by michigan. it works occasionally but when in doubt it always puts me in a lobby with the south americans. I will try it with some other settings but to me it just seems useless. I notice myself when we get friends from virginia and texas they balance it out by having hosts in between us and we get amazing games then. however when we play by ourselves it is useless. I will try the ping  you suggest and continue to pull my hair out on it

 

 

I have friends in Florida, North Carolina, Mississippi and Alabama.  Depending on who is host, we often get that servers that you discussed.  I am very surprised at how often we get players from Puerto Rico, southern most parts of Mexico, Guadalajara and south America.   We get melted by these players when they are in the game.  With the high ping and terrible internet for these players, it is almost impossible to get good games.

 

This is the fault of BO3.   I miss the option of playing with country/region specific players.  

[Netduma Crossy]

When i meant switching for some reason we both can't have good solid games. where one doesn't feel as if they are seeing us first. It seems to differ between us. I am not touching anything or switching anything.

 

If both of you are on the same network and one of you has a good game and the other doesn't, it might not be a networking problem as you'll both have the same ping etc. Have you tried blocking hosts that don't play well so you don't connect to them again?

[brutus209]

I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet, but you can try setting your home location in the middle of the ocean with the lowest distance possible, and setting your ping between 30 and 50, strict mode ticked. You should be able to find low ping lobbies, I set my ping to 32, and find 27ms lobbies all day. 

 

(27ms lobbies as per netduma ping graph, in game is usually reading 40-50 by blops3 graph)

 

In my experience sometimes blops 3 just plain sucks, and there is nothing that can be done about it. on these days rather than breaking everything in my vicinity, I go outside and forget about it till next time.

[Freyja]

tried with setting the home in michigan and i get into zero servers anywhere in the area. over 1000km distance and tried between 40-60 ping and nothing... every fricken time im in florida with the south americans just owning my internet... i've been at this for months and i am broken at the moment... this is beyond frustrating... paying $200 for something that you think will ease your mind some instead i feel like its just sitting in box on my floor... doing nothing but causing me to have my hair turn grey and make me scream at the screen.  I screen capped this to show this was the 3rd lobby i tried... this was the best one i was ever in out of the past 2 hours i have tried to get this to work...

[Freyja]

I'm not sure if this has been suggested yet, but you can try setting your home location in the middle of the ocean with the lowest distance possible, and setting your ping between 30 and 50, strict mode ticked. You should be able to find low ping lobbies, I set my ping to 32, and find 27ms lobbies all day. 

yea it does work... but i get people from south america because i live in florida... i want people from my country ... not some 2000km away... because they are routed to my dedicated server

[Freyja]

If both of you are on the same network and one of you has a good game and the other doesn't, it might not be a networking problem as you'll both have the same ping etc. Have you tried blocking hosts that don't play well so you don't connect to them again?

yes but it doesn't put me on dedicated servers... it makes other people host... so when i block one i only block one person out of the millions that play this game... 

[Urge]

tried with setting the home in michigan and i get into zero servers anywhere in the area. over 1000km distance and tried between 40-60 ping and nothing... every fricken time im in florida with the south americans just owning my internet... i've been at this for months and i am broken at the moment... this is beyond frustrating... paying $200 for something that you think will ease your mind some instead i feel like its just sitting in box on my floor... doing nothing but causing me to have my hair turn grey and make me scream at the screen.  I screen capped this to show this was the 3rd lobby i tried... this was the best one i was ever in out of the past 2 hours i have tried to get this to work...

 

Thanks for the pic.  That will answer your concern of not getting into a Northern server and still being in Florida.  You are running your PA still.  You'll want to bring the bar back to 0.  By setting it at 50, it is still going to give you host that are close to your area as long as they are within 50 ping.

[Urge]

yea it does work... but i get people from south america because i live in florida... i want people from my country ... not some 2000km away... because they are routed to my dedicated server

 

Keep in mind that when you pick a nothern server there is a chance that you could be pulling people from Canada in.  There is still a possiblity that some Euro players or South America could still make it in.   The geo lets you pick where you get hosted; nothing at all can be done to keep people our a certain group out.  That is all on the games servers.

[Freyja]

Thanks for the pic.  That will answer your concern of not getting into a Northern server and still being in Florida.  You are running your PA still.  You'll want to bring the bar back to 0.  By setting it at 50, it is still going to give you host that are close to your area as long as they are within 50 ping.

just tried it and got this

[Freyja]

This includes the PA attempted #2

[brutus209]

So that means you are blocking all of those south american servers correct?

[Dillinger]

Did you wait for the 2 min Anti-Cheat to take effect?

 

I know this works, because I used it to play the central US dedis for the first two months plus on BO3.

 

Start with your console off and the Netduma GUI up.

 

1) Set up Congestion Control (run BufferBloat if you want, but 70/70 will do most of the time)

2) Set your Geo Home over the area where you know there is a dedicated server you want to play on (or remotely camp as I call it).  You don't want your Geo Filter too big or too small.  About the size of the state is usually pretty good.

3) Make sure you have 'STRICT' mode checked

4) Make sure you have Ping Assist set to '0' (all the way to the left).

5) NOW turn on the game console

6) Boot up and load into Multiplayer

 

You should now be playing inside your Geo Filter, almost always on the dedicated server in that area (assuming of course there is one).

[Urge]

There are plenty of servers in those areas.  Try rebooting the game to let everything reset, give it 2 minutes before you search and give it a try.  Hopefully that will work.

[Dillinger]

This includes the PA attempted #2

 

In this image you have a host inside what appears to be Kansas, and you have two padlocks of hosts that you have rated poorly, or perhaps you hit Temp Ban, then you have yellow triangles that mean while they can join your lobby, they can't pull host.

 

Unless I am missing something, this is the intended use model.

[Freyja]

I had maybe one good lobby that whole time and still getting people from around me. 0 on the Ping Assist and restarted the console and refreshed my browser and made sure everything said update... and i got one lobby that was ok. had people from new york instead of the area i selected. seems that the duma and the game just think the area i selected is just a suggestion. Now i get lobbies with people in SA and cuba and the bahama mamas and anywhere south of my location... instead of the northern direction i made the circle... I have it on strict mode. I purged all the temp bans to make sure i don't have a northern server selected as banned and still to no avail. 

 

[Freyja]

It was a player i think i banned i dunno but i purged all blocks...

and still...

I am aware that they do connect to it but in turn they lag all over the place and i don't get any hit detection on them... if that is the case and there is no fix then this does not "dominate lag" as it states... it just "suggests" where it can find a host and let the ducks lay as they choose

 

In this image you have a host inside what appears to be Kansas, and you have two padlocks of hosts that you have rated poorly, or perhaps you hit Temp Ban, then you have yellow triangles that mean while they can join your lobby, they can't pull host.

 

Unless I am missing something, this is the intended use model.

[brutus209]

I think that this router has the capability to "dominate lag" better than anything out on the market, maybe just not so much with blops 3. My honest opinion is that this game is just plain f**ked up. The netduma does everything on our end possible, the rest is up to blops3. Activision does not care if you have an enjoyable gaming experience, they already got our money, and will continue to do so. 

[fakkel]

I told you I can help you, but you do not want to reply to my PM.