Having terrible connection with 2 PS4s

[Streamhero]

If i use one ps4, its fine. If i play with 2 PS4's, i get a variety of terrible connections. In one variation of the issue, we both get constant lag spikes where the in-game ping jumps from 17 to 200+ and back down, over and over wiht occasional split second lag freezes that everyone i play with can feel. Secondly, I get terrible connection with my controller. When i move the joystick, it doesnt respond, or it responds late and makes my controller spin in 360's while im not doing anything. Even 1v1 games against my other PS4 produces these symptoms. The Netduma was reset to default settings, and the same thing happens. Tried updp, and port forwarind, and nothing can get both PS4s to show as open nat.

[Netduma Fraser]

Hey, can you provide us with the screenshots from here please http://wiki.netduma.com/doku.php?id=lag_support_instructions

 

I can't diagnose in game ping, please provide screenshot of what the duma ping shows. Are you playing wired or wirelessly? 

 

I don't really think the controller is an issue with us unless you are experiencing wireless interference - download a wifi analyser and put the R1 on the least congested channel. 

 

NAT is this in game it doesn't show open or on network settings itself? For NAT http://wiki.netduma.com/doku.php?id=how_do_i_open_my_nat

[belly120]

the issue stems from ps4 and their games not being optimized for 2 or more consoles on one IP address (your routers main IP not the networks internal IP's)

 

we have 2 consoles, if we both play the same game the game side servers only have one range of acceptable ports so the 2 consoles fight to use the same ones, this leads to the poor performance.  if the games were better optimised with a range of firewall ports and ps4 had better UPnP it would be fine.  having suffered the random BS i've given up gaming with my misses and hardly bother using my ps4 now as they are not fit for purpose.   

 

the only real fix is buying a second internet connection or getting a singular provider that offers ipv6 as that will give everything on your network an external IP address instead of the broken IPv4 system that is totally saturated and outdated.  to many devices not enough ipv4 addresses essentially. sorry to be a doom merchant but any suggestions on here will be purely lip service, you can't change the ps4 game servers or ps4 architecture.  

 

ROLL ON IPV6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RedBull2k]

if port 3074 was being used for your first ps4 then when the second ps4 tries to use the same port it will get rejected but given the next port up. 

ps4 n1 gets port/s 3074

ps4 n2 gets port/s 3075

ps4 n3 gets port/s 3076 etc,

 

configure each ps4 with an internal static ip, then set up portforwarding for each device/port to deal with your problem.

[belly120]

the above won't help as the game server will continue to reply to 3074 and then be redirected which creates the erratic performance.  my setup runs static IP's and has run dynamic IP's and with UPnp enabled and disabled and we still get NAT issues and party disconnects etc due to the ps4 severs etc only having 1 acceptable port not a range of firewall ports they support 

[RedBull2k]

if your playing cod:

To achieve the best connection when playing Call of Duty games online, it is recommended that users set port forwarding on their router to the IP address of their console or PC using port 3074 User Datagram Protocol (UDP) and Transmission Control Protocol (TCP).If there is more than one console or PC used for gaming on your home network, you can redirect the second console or PC used for gaming to port 3075 UDP/TCP, a third console or PC used for gaming to port 3076, etc.

 

turn off both consoles in router disable upnp

ps4 n1 set static 192.168.88.100 forward port/s 3074 udp/tcp

ps4 n2 set static 192.168.88.150 forward port/s 3075 udp/tcp

 

first turn on ps4 n1 load game up (3074 i think would be the first port it will try)

now turn on ps4 n2 load game up

 

if the game is a first party game then the solution is in the link below, it talks about using a vpn or a second ip

have a read of this.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-Network-Support/MULTIPLE-PLAYSTATION-4-s-ONE-NETWORK-NEEDS-FIXED-ASAP-Confirmed/td-p/44774137

[Net-1]

Dudes!! 

 

Are you telling me I cannot have 2 PS4s I the same house on the same connection gaming online together on the same game (2 licences) ????

 

This was never a problem with Xbox 360 we had three on the go playing COD and Garden Warfare together and connection fine.

 

I have just purchased another PS4 to play Overwatch teamed up with my kids....

 

Tell me I didn't just buy another PS4 for nothing.????

[Streamhero]

Dudes!! 

 

Are you telling me I cannot have 2 PS4s I the same house on the same connection gaming online together on the same game (2 licences) ????

 

This was never a problem with Xbox 360 we had three on the go playing COD and Garden Warfare together and connection fine.

 

I have just purchased another PS4 to play Overwatch teamed up with my kids....

 

Tell me I didn't just buy another PS4 for nothing.????

in my 10+ hours of research on the topic of having open nats on multiple PS4's, I have only found ONE post where someone claimed to have it working, but of course they dont clarify wtf they did. This is frustrating as hell, why cant someone A) just say its impossible if it is, or explain how to do it? Here is the guy"s post if anyone wants to try and decipher it

 

OK.  I have been following this thread with the same issue. We currently have 5 ps4s and OPEN NAT for bo3. 

 

Whoever says it can never work is unschooled in port forwarding concept.  I was running DDWRT and it has a boken UPnP in the current build so I noticed this issue and found this thread.  

 

NAT works like this boy and girls, or should.

 

Excuse my laymans guide

single WAN IP

 

204.x.x.x.   WAN=external

---------------------------------------------------

 

multiple LAN devices =internal

192.x.x.x.

10.x.x.x

 

So when you have multiple instances of a game or whatever requesting the same port it would look like this.

192.168.2.75 LAN IP requests PORT 3074 Internally, NAT says hello we see your 3074 request and 3074 is currently EXTERNALLY assigned to 192.168.2.74 but hey we will open EXTERNAL port 3212 and forward to 3074 INTERNAL PORT to 192.168.2.75.  As requested the packets now have an assigned external port that coincides with the internal request. Voila!  DONE.

 

However different manufactures use different forms of NAT.

Cones and Symmetric....

 

Without going all crazy sauce on you.  Here is what I know first hand, not what I read or reposted.

 

Netgear R8500, R7500, R7000 and R6300, R6250 ALL will forward multiple PS4 port 3074 to proper external ports and provide OPEN NAT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

 

TP LINK AC3200 will NOT

ASUS  AC5300 will NOT

 

and I assume that  means that any router made by these manufactures will probably follow the same format in GUI and cmd functions at their core so most of their routers MAY not provide ports to multiple ps4 at once. 

 

All you have to do is start the first device, confirm OPEN NAT then start the second, it will be moderate because the 3074 wasn't traversed fast enough for the games liking.

close and restart bo3 and it will be OPEN from then on. I have this working currently on 5 PS4's

 

good luck"

[Netduma Fraser]

I made a post on NAT here when the game came out that may help explain it http://forum.netduma.com/topic/8866-black-ops-3-nat/?p=65325

 

Essentially though, both consoles appear as open in the network settings, it's BO3 that says it's moderate, this could be for a number of reasons. Having a moderate NAT won't necessarily result in more laggy games if indeed it is actually moderate.

[Net-1]

Just FYI 

Ive got the 2 PS4s on two PNs accounts in the same house playing Overwatch online together wired to netduma, no issues, no lag spikes, no high pings no weirdness.(constant 30-40ms ping to overwatch game server according to netduma)  both consoles nat type 2. So all seems well.  I haven't forwarded ports or done anything technical.  everything is on auto.  i.e used "Easy" Network set up on both ps4s and just using everything auto on netduma eg DHCP etc. (running 100 dwn 6 up also using 70 70 CC and psn hyper-lane ).  I haven't  tried bops cos I dont have two copies and dont want the kids to get too into the COD scene. Overwatch on the other hand is turning out to be a fun family game which has taken over our household. Pity about the sloppy aiming and the turrets.  But it is still a great game.

 

PS 

In the name of science;  If you guys are really interested in how 2 PS4 get on with Netduma with BOPS3 in the same household let me know as I could probably borrow a disc of one of my buddies.