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I had what may be a similar situation.  I was getting such bad hit detection with the R3 so I disconnected and set my xr1000 back up.  I used it for playing MW3 multiplayer and the first few games were so good.  Then just as quickly as things got better they got worse again and it was back to the same ol thing.  I am wondering if that was also your experience?
Bear with me for a minute.  Is it possible that what people are calling SBMM is actually something far more simple and far more sinister?  Think call of duty as a very simple equation (though its a bit more complex)
(x-l) + (y-l) = z
x is your input, y is your opponents input, l is latency and z is the outcome
I ran a test.  I am a multiple input player.  I sometimes use a ps5 scuff controller and sometimes use an xbox elite v2 controller and sometimes I run mouse and keyboard.  I played 3 different game sessions each on one of these inputs.  The results were so similar that it was staggering.  I had previously run multiple tests in the custom lobby.  Those tests were the same result every time.  Kill confirmed in shoothouse against bots.  Myself and 5 bots vs 6 other bots (each test the bots were on the same difficulty friendly/enemy)  every game did well, the next match Call of duty increased my latency in the following match.  I have a 30 ping server nearby but never get that latency... instead I go from 60-70 all the way up to 100-120
So..... I decided to test this in actual multiplayer as well.  Same result, but with some twists.
I played the 3 sessions as mentioned before, each session was 7 kill confirmed matches.  when I added the latency of all 7 matches and divided by seven..... you guessed it, one day on an xbox controller the average latency over a 7 game session was 82.57  the next day on a ps5 controller it was average over 7 games 82.71  That is far too similar to be a coincidence..... Right?!
on keyboard and mouse it was similar but not exact.  I had average 71.29 latency over 7 games
my kd for xbox controller was 1.60 for 7 games and for ps5 controller it was 1.32 and on KBM it was 1.44
What do I think all of this means?  I think that it means that call of duty is an algorithm as a whole.  It seeks to keep everything in balance.  I have never seen anyone get a nuke in my match.  I think the game changes latency and hit detection and damage dealt and damage received for  each player to keep everyone at their preassigned KD and score per min and that balance keeps as many people playing as possible.
I think that maybe everyone has this same experience and it is by design.  Why do I mention this?  Because most people in here are here because Net Duma promised to change that, and it can't, or at least still hasn't.  The Call of Duty algorithm is bigger and more well funded that duma will ever be.....  weather we spend the time playing Call of Duty or in this forum talking about how broken it is and how this router doesn't do what is advertised.... maybe its all just a waste of time.
Please let me know if you your hit detection stayed the same over the long term with the different router.  I'm guessing that it was just the same bump you would get if you reset your R3... first game or two the COD algorithm was figuring out your connection and optimizing its latency cocktail to keep you at your predetermined skill.....

Fraser.... Could you give me a nickel worth of refund every time you type something like, "soon" or "not much longer"?  I think I'll have a full refund before the firmware patch comes out...  Just saying

I haven't seen any of my servers show up in the geofilter in over a week, doesn't matter how I re-sync the cloud and re-add them....  
I am looking at advanced troubleshooting settings and my cpu usage is back to being super high like it was before updating firmware to the .41
 

I haven't seen any of my servers show up in the geofilter in over a week, doesn't matter how I re-sync the cloud and re-add them....  
 

Theres a close to full ish explanation on cods sbmm on their blog btw if u want to understand more about it. Btw my problem is geo filtering works when it feels like 🤷🏻🤦🏻😂 actually whole router works when it feels like. 

I had what may be a similar situation.  I was getting such bad hit detection with the R3 so I disconnected and set my xr1000 back up.  I used it for playing MW3 multiplayer and the first few games were so good.  Then just as quickly as things got better they got worse again and it was back to the same ol thing.  I am wondering if that was also your experience?
Bear with me for a minute.  Is it possible that what people are calling SBMM is actually something far more simple and far more sinister?  Think call of duty as a very simple equation (though its a bit more complex)
(x-l) + (y-l) = z
x is your input, y is your opponents input, l is latency and z is the outcome
I ran a test.  I am a multiple input player.  I sometimes use a ps5 scuff controller and sometimes use an xbox elite v2 controller and sometimes I run mouse and keyboard.  I played 3 different game sessions each on one of these inputs.  The results were so similar that it was staggering.  I had previously run multiple tests in the custom lobby.  Those tests were the same result every time.  Kill confirmed in shoothouse against bots.  Myself and 5 bots vs 6 other bots (each test the bots were on the same difficulty friendly/enemy)  every game did well, the next match Call of duty increased my latency in the following match.  I have a 30 ping server nearby but never get that latency... instead I go from 60-70 all the way up to 100-120
So..... I decided to test this in actual multiplayer as well.  Same result, but with some twists.
I played the 3 sessions as mentioned before, each session was 7 kill confirmed matches.  when I added the latency of all 7 matches and divided by seven..... you guessed it, one day on an xbox controller the average latency over a 7 game session was 82.57  the next day on a ps5 controller it was average over 7 games 82.71  That is far too similar to be a coincidence..... Right?!
on keyboard and mouse it was similar but not exact.  I had average 71.29 latency over 7 games
my kd for xbox controller was 1.60 for 7 games and for ps5 controller it was 1.32 and on KBM it was 1.44
What do I think all of this means?  I think that it means that call of duty is an algorithm as a whole.  It seeks to keep everything in balance.  I have never seen anyone get a nuke in my match.  I think the game changes latency and hit detection and damage dealt and damage received for  each player to keep everyone at their preassigned KD and score per min and that balance keeps as many people playing as possible.
I think that maybe everyone has this same experience and it is by design.  Why do I mention this?  Because most people in here are here because Net Duma promised to change that, and it can't, or at least still hasn't.  The Call of Duty algorithm is bigger and more well funded that duma will ever be.....  weather we spend the time playing Call of Duty or in this forum talking about how broken it is and how this router doesn't do what is advertised.... maybe its all just a waste of time.
Please let me know if you your hit detection stayed the same over the long term with the different router.  I'm guessing that it was just the same bump you would get if you reset your R3... first game or two the COD algorithm was figuring out your connection and optimizing its latency cocktail to keep you at your predetermined skill.....

Yes you should have.... Do they think that this is some kindof kickstarer campaign or something?  They sell a full priced product that they advertise as being a finished product and then when the features don't work, they say, "just turn that feature off it is negatively impacting this other feature and turn the other feature off as well and turn off the wifi because it is also not working and stop reporting problems in the support forum because there are too many of them right now......

Yes you should have.... Do they think that this is some kindof kickstarer campaign or something?  They sell a full priced product that they advertise as being a finished product and then when the features don't work, they say, "just turn that feature off it is negatively impacting this other feature and turn the other feature off as well and turn off the wifi because it is also not working and stop reporting problems in the support forum because there are too many of them right now......

It is interesting to read these last two posts, because I just yesterday disconnected my R3.  I am using a different router now and will continue to check back on these forum posts because I am a part of this club and I paid my $200 entry fee to join this club and I have my router shaped paperweight as proof that I am a part of this club!  I live in the US and it wouldn't be worth my time to try to get a refund.  I think the r in R3 stands for Regret.  I am Rand0 and I am a member of the regret club!  Keep smiling lads 😁

Well in uk some customers might need to use sales of goods act to get a return/refund for this amazing piece of kit albeit it works when it feels like. 😂🤷🏻🤦🏻

Been lurking here for a bit every now and then for a firmware update, just to let you guys at DumaOS this is borderline fraud. You should put a well detailed disclaimer somewhere visible on your main page that this is a Alpha/Beta product and all features may or may not function correctly. I've ordered another router and ill box this up and check back next year and to the people that are saying "bro lol just wait more its a small team they will fix it" I just don't understand you.

Peace All!   

It is interesting to read these last two posts, because I just yesterday disconnected my R3.  I am using a different router now and will continue to check back on these forum posts because I am a part of this club and I paid my $200 entry fee to join this club and I have my router shaped paperweight as proof that I am a part of this club!  I live in the US and it wouldn't be worth my time to try to get a refund.  I think the r in R3 stands for Regret.  I am Rand0 and I am a member of the regret club!  Keep smiling lads 😁

It is interesting to read these last two posts, because I just yesterday disconnected my R3.  I am using a different router now and will continue to check back on these forum posts because I am a part of this club and I paid my $200 entry fee to join this club and I have my router shaped paperweight as proof that I am a part of this club!  I live in the US and it wouldn't be worth my time to try to get a refund.  I think the r in R3 stands for Regret.  I am Rand0 and I am a member of the regret club!  Keep smiling lads 😁

It is interesting to read these last two posts, because I just yesterday disconnected my R3.  I am using a different router now and will continue to check back on these forum posts because I am a part of this club and I paid my $200 entry fee to join this club and I have my router shaped paperweight as proof that I am a part of this club!  I live in the US and it wouldn't be worth my time to try to get a refund.  I think the r in R3 stands for Regret.  I am Rand0 and I am a member of the regret club!  Keep smiling lads 😁

I'm guessing that it gets a whole lot longer before the firmware update is released and then I think it is going to be more of the same disappointment.  I have done a bit of searching and it seems that duma os is just always fraught with problems.  It seems that they move on to "newer and better" ideas without ever having delivered on the old promised ideas.  I bought this because I has nothing by problems with netgear routers with duma os on them.  I figured that maybe it was simply because I needed a net duma router with the duma os on it...... I couldn't have been more wrong.  Saving up my money and doing some research to get a router that works well.

Yes.  The irony, is the only current value of the purchase right now for me.  If I don't have a sense of humor about it I just feel bad.  It was rushed and unfinished and the company is unwilling to admit that.  Poor Fraser is left to have all these people vent in this forum.  The added pain is that the advertising never mentions that this is cutting edge attempts at a technology that Net Duma "hopes will one day work".  They have yet to accomplish it.  AND when the router works as hoped and advertised, its only in a limited way and it is not even repeatable.  So many posts by people who are asking, "why did it stop working the same when I changed nothing?"
AND the advertisements never clue the buyer into the fact that a minimum of a 101 college level knowledge of networking is needed to even begin to understand what the router is "trying" to do and how you have to constantly adjust it for it ever to work as hoped.  It all comes down to false advertising and people who bought the product are still holding on to hope that it someday may work as advertised..... 

Hello, my name is Rvnd0 and I like RGB lighting and troubleshooting routers that are half programmed......  It is a beautiful light spectrum that I am currently looking at and wondering if its worth keeping my spectrum internet...... See what I did there...... gather around fellow beta testers, back before we had internet we used to gather around a fire and tell stories... you don't really need youtube do you?  I mean, you've got pretty light and plenty of speculation about whether there is or is not firmware on its way.  Cancel your internet and then in a couple months the Duma 4 RGB lighting will be paid off and and you will be saving money each months on your internet bill.  I'm also going to cancel my cell phone bill, because if these CPU's keep running at 100 percent and I don't do the obligatory reboot each week, they will get hot enough for me to communicate with people using smoke signals.  This router has actually saved me money!!!!!!!!
 
I hope I at least made someone smile.  This router has been an awful lot like life in general in that it promised so much and came up a bit disappointing...  I'm just trying to smile through it.

Hello, my name is Rvnd0 and I like RGB lighting and troubleshooting routers that are half programmed......  It is a beautiful light spectrum that I am currently looking at and wondering if its worth keeping my spectrum internet...... See what I did there...... gather around fellow beta testers, back before we had internet we used to gather around a fire and tell stories... you don't really need youtube do you?  I mean, you've got pretty light and plenty of speculation about whether there is or is not firmware on its way.  Cancel your internet and then in a couple months the Duma 4 RGB lighting will be paid off and and you will be saving money each months on your internet bill.  I'm also going to cancel my cell phone bill, because if these CPU's keep running at 100 percent and I don't do the obligatory reboot each week, they will get hot enough for me to communicate with people using smoke signals.  This router has actually saved me money!!!!!!!!
 
I hope I at least made someone smile.  This router has been an awful lot like life in general in that it promised so much and came up a bit disappointing...  I'm just trying to smile through it.

Hello, my name is Rvnd0 and I like RGB lighting and troubleshooting routers that are half programmed......  It is a beautiful light spectrum that I am currently looking at and wondering if its worth keeping my spectrum internet...... See what I did there...... gather around fellow beta testers, back before we had internet we used to gather around a fire and tell stories... you don't really need youtube do you?  I mean, you've got pretty light and plenty of speculation about whether there is or is not firmware on its way.  Cancel your internet and then in a couple months the Duma 4 RGB lighting will be paid off and and you will be saving money each months on your internet bill.  I'm also going to cancel my cell phone bill, because if these CPU's keep running at 100 percent and I don't do the obligatory reboot each week, they will get hot enough for me to communicate with people using smoke signals.  This router has actually saved me money!!!!!!!!
 
I hope I at least made someone smile.  This router has been an awful lot like life in general in that it promised so much and came up a bit disappointing...  I'm just trying to smile through it.

Hello, my name is Rvnd0 and I like RGB lighting and troubleshooting routers that are half programmed......  It is a beautiful light spectrum that I am currently looking at and wondering if its worth keeping my spectrum internet...... See what I did there...... gather around fellow beta testers, back before we had internet we used to gather around a fire and tell stories... you don't really need youtube do you?  I mean, you've got pretty light and plenty of speculation about whether there is or is not firmware on its way.  Cancel your internet and then in a couple months the Duma 4 RGB lighting will be paid off and and you will be saving money each months on your internet bill.  I'm also going to cancel my cell phone bill, because if these CPU's keep running at 100 percent and I don't do the obligatory reboot each week, they will get hot enough for me to communicate with people using smoke signals.  This router has actually saved me money!!!!!!!!
 
I hope I at least made someone smile.  This router has been an awful lot like life in general in that it promised so much and came up a bit disappointing...  I'm just trying to smile through it.

"Making it a better product".  Those are his exact words Jinxer85..... and that same thing has been said since it's painful launch, but never a clear admission that it is not what was advertised.  You may well want to send it back as it will only let you down.  Just read the posts.  So many of us are stuck with this piece of tech that doesn't do anything as advertised and has vastly different results for each user.  I am stuck with it as I kept it way past the point of sending it back.  It sounds like YOU DON"T HAVE BE stuck with it.

"Making it a better product".  Those are his exact words Jinxer85..... and that same thing has been said since it's painful launch, but never a clear admission that it is not what was advertised.  You may well want to send it back as it will only let you down.  Just read the posts.  So many of us are stuck with this piece of tech that doesn't do anything as advertised and has vastly different results for each user.  I am stuck with it as I kept it way past the point of sending it back.  It sounds like YOU DON"T HAVE BE stuck with it.

"Making it a better product".  Those are his exact words Jinxer85..... and that same thing has been said since it's painful launch, but never a clear admission that it is not what was advertised.  You may well want to send it back as it will only let you down.  Just read the posts.  So many of us are stuck with this piece of tech that doesn't do anything as advertised and has vastly different results for each user.  I am stuck with it as I kept it way past the point of sending it back.  It sounds like YOU DON"T HAVE BE stuck with it.

Can't access router main page via browser or app 
constant reboots 
losing internet connection
UPNP  show system offline 
Ping stability making connection worse instead of improving it. 
And the list goes on. 
 

I really appreciate your view on this router!  I have only the networking experience that I have from owning two netgear routers and I didn't really mess with them.  I am not the only one on my network, so every time I mess with the network to find things out, it costs me in relational $ with my family.  You only have so many frinedship $ to spend before your family becomes impatient with you.  Why do I say all this?  Because I really love this new router, the R3 and its software is increadible in my humble oppinion.  I have had some questions here in this forum and have also expressed my deep frustration for one reason only.  This router seems to be marketed as being this "plug and play" monster.  It doesn't seem that is the case at all.  Many in here have said that every network is different, and I am realizing that is so true.  That would make this router impossible to be a plug and play item because it seems it needs to be tweaked to fit each individual network.  Once I finally realized that, it became much easier to understand what the goal was and that if I didn't experiment, I would never get the best results.  Maybe change the marketing?