Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 20, 2024 Administrators Share Posted December 20, 2024 1 hour ago, V1k1 said: Came across this topic as I was also looking for some of the older "fine tune" features my XR500 had on the older Duma OS version. I really hope these fine tune features are brought back so we have a little more control. My XR500 ran really well with traffic prioritization on, QoS off, as I had high down/up speeds so QoS for my case wasn't necessarily needed, but I wanted to keep Gaming at the front so other activities didn't induce any lag. How did you disable QoS on it in that scenario? V1k1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V1k1 Posted December 21, 2024 Share Posted December 21, 2024 6 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: How did you disable QoS on it in that scenario? I remembered wrong. It was Congestion Control I personally had off, not QoS. But, there is the option to Disable QoS (Hamburger icon next to Congestion Control) with exception that some features may not work, which listed are Traffic Controller and Adblocker. I did like the old Bandwidth Allocation chart and hamburger options (Checking/unchecking share excess bandwidth per device or application). Just wanted to chime in that some features may appear to be gone or shifted to be working behind the scene in Duma OS 4 without us being able to fine tune like we had on prior OS versions. I mentioned in another post that it may be nice to have some fine tuning for the users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted December 21, 2024 Administrators Share Posted December 21, 2024 3 hours ago, V1k1 said: I remembered wrong. It was Congestion Control I personally had off, not QoS. But, there is the option to Disable QoS (Hamburger icon next to Congestion Control) with exception that some features may not work, which listed are Traffic Controller and Adblocker. I did like the old Bandwidth Allocation chart and hamburger options (Checking/unchecking share excess bandwidth per device or application). Just wanted to chime in that some features may appear to be gone or shifted to be working behind the scene in Duma OS 4 without us being able to fine tune like we had on prior OS versions. I mentioned in another post that it may be nice to have some fine tuning for the users. Set to 100% is fine and you can still do that on the R3. Yeah if you would have disabled it like that nothing on that page would have worked. I can pass it along. The whole point of SmartBOOST though and the upcoming features is that you don't need to tweak as much. V1k1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAK Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 My experience with SmartBOOST hasn't been as effective as I had hoped. As a self-hoster running a medium-sized game server, I've configured it as the sole priority x5 device. However, whenever someone streams or uploads a video, my server still experiences significant high ping issues. While I appreciate the flexibility of cherry-picking ports for reserve, I'm bothered that I can't select both TCP & UDP for the same range. What would be really SMART is the option to have SmartBOOST reserve bandwidth of ports that are already port forwarded. I found the old bandwidth reservation system more straightforward and effective for my needs. The direct approach felt more reliable. Am I missing something in my setup? Should I be adding every device to SmartBOOST to see better results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAK Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 @Netduma Fraserfor visibility Am I assuming correctly that it dynamically reserves? As in, it only reserves when it detects/triggers with activity requiring the bandwidth reserved? II literally watched a PC—not prioritized—devour every byte of my upload during a video upload - like every bit my ISP gives me meanwhile my prioritized server was left in its wake. DumaOS Version 4.0.402 App Versionv4.0.142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 9 Administrators Share Posted January 9 On 1/8/2025 at 12:09 PM, FLAK said: My experience with SmartBOOST hasn't been as effective as I had hoped. As a self-hoster running a medium-sized game server, I've configured it as the sole priority x5 device. However, whenever someone streams or uploads a video, my server still experiences significant high ping issues. While I appreciate the flexibility of cherry-picking ports for reserve, I'm bothered that I can't select both TCP & UDP for the same range. What would be really SMART is the option to have SmartBOOST reserve bandwidth of ports that are already port forwarded. I found the old bandwidth reservation system more straightforward and effective for my needs. The direct approach felt more reliable. Am I missing something in my setup? Should I be adding every device to SmartBOOST to see better results? 1 hour ago, FLAK said: @Netduma Fraserfor visibility Am I assuming correctly that it dynamically reserves? As in, it only reserves when it detects/triggers with activity requiring the bandwidth reserved? II literally watched a PC—not prioritized—devour every byte of my upload during a video upload - like every bit my ISP gives me meanwhile my prioritized server was left in its wake. DumaOS Version 4.0.402 App Versionv4.0.142 What do you mean by x5 exactly? Can you provide a screenshot of your priorities please? If you're not using Congestion Control then your network can still become saturated so make sure you have that setup (Ping Optimizer > Advanced) and then SmartBOOST should take care of the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAK Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/9/2025 at 10:39 AM, Netduma Fraser said: What do you mean by x5 exactly? Can you provide a screenshot of your priorities please? If you're not using Congestion Control then your network can still become saturated so make sure you have that setup (Ping Optimizer > Advanced) and then SmartBOOST should take care of the rest. My server is set to top priority is what I meant by x5. Congestion control is setup to reserve some bandwidth, yes. Ping optimizer was also previously ran before this outcome. We are not talking about bufferbloat though, just smart boost not boosting where it should in realtime. Not even congestion control did its job. I tested this by simply uploading a video to youtube from a non-prioritized device while a small group of users were connected to the server. They experienced high ping throughout the duration of the upload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 16 Administrators Share Posted January 16 Congestion Control doesn't reserve bandwidth, it prevents devices from saturating your connection and causing lag, so it is definitely relevant to your situation here, if it was set correctly it wouldn't have been as bad - how is it set currently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblureffect Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) @FLAKI understand what you mean here, I've experienced the same more or less. My congestion control is set to 85%down 65%up, I currently pay for and get 20mbps up and down. Whenever I'm gaming and my son watches youtube on his phone, I would start lagging and when I look at smartboost I see that my sons youtube activity is at 18-20mbps. This does not make sense as I would think the congestion control and smartboost would lower such high traffic not prioritized traffic. Currently my xbox is the only device prioritized at x5 and gaming is the only thing prioritized. @fraserMaybe smartboost should not only ensure that gaming packets are sent first but also limit the bandwidth being used according to congestion control. If thats the purpose of congestion control, then its not doing it to be honest. Edited January 17 by theblureffect Added OP in my reply FLAK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 17 Administrators Share Posted January 17 8 hours ago, theblureffect said: @FLAKI understand what you mean here, I've experienced the same more or less. My congestion control is set to 85%down 65%up, I currently pay for and get 20mbps up and down. Whenever I'm gaming and my son watches youtube on his phone, I would start lagging and when I look at smartboost I see that my sons youtube activity is at 18-20mbps. This does not make sense as I would think the congestion control and smartboost would lower such high traffic not prioritized traffic. Currently my xbox is the only device prioritized at x5 and gaming is the only thing prioritized. @fraserMaybe smartboost should not only ensure that gaming packets are sent first but also limit the bandwidth being used according to congestion control. If thats the purpose of congestion control, then its not doing it to be honest. Have you made any Internet Rules or any rules specifically for their device? What traffic shows up when that is happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblureffect Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 23 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Have you made any Internet Rules or any rules specifically for their device? What traffic shows up when that is happening? No internet rules for them at all. No specific rules for any devices besides the xbox and gaming priosities. Youtube traffic shows up at that moment with the hight traffic usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 17 Administrators Share Posted January 17 21 minutes ago, theblureffect said: No internet rules for them at all. No specific rules for any devices besides the xbox and gaming priosities. Youtube traffic shows up at that moment with the hight traffic usage. Can you provide a screenshot of your Congestion Control panel and SmartBOOST please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblureffect Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Can you provide a screenshot of your Congestion Control panel and SmartBOOST please? Here you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblureffect Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 12 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Can you provide a screenshot of your Congestion Control panel and SmartBOOST please? I also should mention im currently on .478 firware but had the same experience on .290 and .420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 17 Administrators Share Posted January 17 Set Congestion Control download to 70% instead please and then see if you notice an improvement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblureffect Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 32 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Set Congestion Control download to 70% instead please and then see if you notice an improvement Cool, will adjust playing a few games now for the evening and will let you know. Netduma Fraser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisreallife Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Will the option that OP is asking for actually actually be implemented within the R3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 21 Administrators Share Posted January 21 53 minutes ago, thisisreallife said: Will the option that OP is asking for actually actually be implemented within the R3? It's unlikely based on how the feature works but never say never FLAK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAK Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 1/16/2025 at 3:06 PM, Netduma Fraser said: Congestion Control doesn't reserve bandwidth, it prevents devices from saturating your connection and causing lag, so it is definitely relevant to your situation here, if it was set correctly it wouldn't have been as bad - how is it set currently? I understand the technical distinction, but regardless of terminology, I experienced lag on my prioritized device despite having plenty of bandwidth. For context, I have a similar setup to @theblureffect but with higher capacity (1Gbps down/35Mbps up), with one device prioritized and no additional rules. Even with congestion control at 85/65, I experienced issues last night while downloading a game at 50Mbps. While I'll try adjusting the congestion settings to be more aggressive, I'm skeptical this will solve the problem since prioritization doesn't seem to be working as intended under minimal load. Unless this improves, I may need to switch back to the XR1000 which handled bandwidth management more effectively. In my mind the only real way to prevent saturation in all scenarios will be some form of bandwidth reservation. On 1/20/2025 at 6:06 PM, Netduma Fraser said: It's unlikely based on how the feature works but never say never I would love to have this option, even if it mean disabling other features. For what it's worth, it's difficult to recommend this device seeing the failure to handle one of its primary selling points 😕 and I had a few in my small community asking me what hardware I run with. I just tell them "any router with QOS" instead of "Netduma R3", which pains me thinking this is now $250 wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 30 Administrators Share Posted January 30 19 minutes ago, FLAK said: I understand the technical distinction, but regardless of terminology, I experienced lag on my prioritized device despite having plenty of bandwidth. For context, I have a similar setup to @theblureffect but with higher capacity (1Gbps down/35Mbps up), with one device prioritized and no additional rules. Even with congestion control at 85/65, I experienced issues last night while downloading a game at 50Mbps. While I'll try adjusting the congestion settings to be more aggressive, I'm skeptical this will solve the problem since prioritization doesn't seem to be working as intended under minimal load. Unless this improves, I may need to switch back to the XR1000 which handled bandwidth management more effectively. In my mind the only real way to prevent saturation in all scenarios will be some form of bandwidth reservation. I would love to have this option, even if it mean disabling other features. For what it's worth, it's difficult to recommend this device seeing the failure to handle one of its primary selling points 😕 and I had a few in my small community asking me what hardware I run with. I just tell them "any router with QOS" instead of "Netduma R3", which pains me thinking this is now $250 wasted. What is your specific physical setup? Not sure you've ever said, that can have an impact. We also have a new firmware in Early Access worth trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAK Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said: What is your specific physical setup? Not sure you've ever said, that can have an impact. We also have a new firmware in Early Access worth trying I'm willing to try, what is the latest fw attempting to improve/change? Im on OS version 4.0.402 & app version 4.0.142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzy Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 9 minutes ago, FLAK said: what is the latest fw attempting to improve/change? All you have to do is go to the R3 early access sub-forum, which you requested access to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 30 Administrators Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, FLAK said: I'm willing to try, what is the latest fw attempting to improve/change? Im on OS version 4.0.402 & app version 4.0.142 Always pinned to the top of the relevant forum: https://forum.netduma.com/forum/151-netduma-r3-early-access/ What is the model of the modem/router the R3 is connected to and how have you set that to ensure all traffic flows to the R3? E.g. R3 in its DMZ, modem/bridge mode Behringer-93 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAK Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) On 1/30/2025 at 1:54 PM, Netduma Fraser said: Always pinned to the top of the relevant forum: https://forum.netduma.com/forum/151-netduma-r3-early-access/ What is the model of the modem/router the R3 is connected to and how have you set that to ensure all traffic flows to the R3? E.g. R3 in its DMZ, modem/bridge mode Oh my apologies, my modem is a Neategear Nighthawk CAX80 in bridge mode. Update: As of 02/04/25 I'm now showing v4.0.540 Edited February 4 by FLAK Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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