nollies1 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Hey everyone, been a while. Life has been crazy, hope everyone is well, and hi to all the new folks around here too I'm currently staying at a friend's place for a few months while looking for a more permanent residence, but in the meantime I am seeking help/feedback from those more proficient in this, um, dilemma I have at the moment: 1. (Background) I'm a PS4, primarily CoD only kinda guy. The place here has Fios Giga, TV and net, with coax and Ethernet coming into the home and connected to a G1100 ('Quantum Gateway'). I've confirmed by wiring my MacBook to the gateway that the residence receives 940 Mbps down and 880 Mbps up. As you may know/ from reading other posts, the Duma can handle no more than ~500 Mbps. In a scenario where it's G1100 -> Duma via LAN to WAN, the MacBook plugged into the Duma can detect ~ 430-450 Mbps down, close enough to what is expected. Regardless, in this type setup I am experiencing the typical 'double NAT' thing, where my PS4 detects NAT type 2 but I am unable to get an Open NAT in the game. (There are possible difference of opinions here, but from personal experience CoD plays noticeably different imo, and also coughs and sneezes way too much when trying to find lobbies etc., if I am not Open NAT.) While everything is IPv6 capable, the isp still only has IPv4 as an option... so the battle against double NATing here is real for now... I'd say I'm 'intermediate' level in terms of networking skill/knowledge, but I do listen well and enjoy tinkering on this stuff. 2) (Questions to which I seek your advice) I am not fully sure what the 'best option' is for me to set up over here. I'll gladly add additional info here as appropriate, but to get some discussion flowing, below are a few thoughts I'm seeking input on: - I could ditch the Duma (theoretical lol, I just shed a tear typing that), and just use the G1100, and hope that with close to a gig up and down that there will not be much of a bandwidth issue. Also I'm getting insane pings of like 4 ms, so in that regard maybe this is one way to escape double NATing - I can keep the coax going directly into the G1100 but perhaps for the Ethernet wire stick the Duma upstream of the G1100. I read somewhere somebody was successful in a Duma -> G1100 setup, but they had internet only package and also the 150 Mbps package; in my situation, doing this and if I got it working would essentially restrict at least half of the bandwidth we are paying for here, as I've been unable to see a (wired) speed test beyond 450 ish through the Duma (see section 1, above). - If I do G1100 -> Duma, and set the G1100 into bridge mode, same thing... I'd lose half the paid for bandwidth, and also am unsure if the TV capability still will work if I do so. Lastly, few things I've noted (but do confirm/correct me if you don't mind) - setting the Duma for the speeds we get here as you know will result in configuring it such that 'super turbo' mode is enabled, which essentially makes the CC moot as it is no longer used - thus at this point, I'm unsure whether the trade off in losing half the speeds we pay for, loss of CC, and possible loss of TV, is still worth putting the time into trying to get the Duma configured properly so as to get to my endpoint of achieving an Open NAT in CoD. - I am completely open to discussion on this. Anyone who's got the Fios Giga plan, kindly chime in for sure! - (final silly question, also to expose my knowledge limits I dare say)... at this point/ given above... if I still try to use the Duma, is there any use for it now beyond a mere LAN to LAN extender/switch per se?... I mean, CC is inactive anyways with the configured speeds, and by doing it this way aka subnet route, perhaps that will keep me out of this double NAT ordeal (while could wire my PS4 directly to the G1100 and not deal with the Duma at all, I could at least make use of the extra ports on it, thus simply using it as a rather expensive switch lol). Thanks for reading. Argggh. -n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf-OVER Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/quick-guides/port-forwarding.htm with those speeds just use the netduma with the appropriate ports forwarded and use it to route traffic only for your ps4 or other gaming devices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Type 2 nat just means you're behind a router, that's what you want. You need to put the Netduma in the G1100's DMZ by setting a static IP The only feature you can use now is the geo-filter, that's up to you to decide if it's worth using. Even at gigabit speeds, if someone starts downloading/uploading you'll have your ping take a hit. I personally would rather have 500/500 with stable ping than 950/950 with ping spikes every 2 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 7, 2017 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2017 As has been said Type 2 is open. If you're not getting open on the game itself then manually port forward. Also disable the Geo-filter before boot up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 Thanks to those who replied. I don't know how/why I was not getting open NAT, even after power cycling the G1100 and Duma and console etc... but eventually was successful. For archiving, what I did was the following: I first factory reset the Duma (maybe there was some setting I missed earlier that was still reflecting my old cable internet getup) Then before reconnecting everything, I went into the G1100 interface and - changed the DHCP range to start at 192.168.1.3 - assigned the Duma to a static address of 192.168.1.2 (g1100 can do DHCP reservation however, if I recall/ to anyone interested) - put the Duma's newly created static address into the DMZ Lastly, I confirmed that uPnP was enabled on both the G1100 and the Duma Reconnected it all, power cycled in order of G1100 -> Duma -> PS4 Fired up IW and low and behold, open NAT. As a final comment, I wanted to note that for whatever reason, in my experience this was the first time ever I was able to achieve open NAT in IW via uPnP (that is, in my prior residence/ with cable internet, this was the first CoD that I was unable to get an open NAT via uPnP, but anyways that's just a side note). I may still take the time to mess around and forward ports later today, or maybe read up a bit... as I'm not well rehearsed in the whole 'good' vs 'bad' of connecting non-consoles to a router that's placed into DMZ. Either way, holy crap lol... I played two matches last night before bed and just played three more now before heading to work... and for sure I'm feeling the difference now with a 3-4 ms ping compared to 30-40 ms I was getting from the cable provider. It's like, head shots actually register now, and a couple weapons I purposefully tried just now which historically I've never been good with, actually aren't all that bad now Very interesting experience. Should anything change I'll post an update, but based so far on an N of 5 games over the past 16 hours or so, no complaints. -nol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 I should also say that, it is my understanding that if uPnP is enabled that there really shouldn't be a need to put the Duma (or whatever secondary router etc) into DMZ... so that's the next thing I will mess with when I get home, i.e., remove it from DMZ and see if I can still get an open NAT in the game. -n Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 8, 2017 Administrators Share Posted August 8, 2017 I should also say that, it is my understanding that if uPnP is enabled that there really shouldn't be a need to put the Duma (or whatever secondary router etc) into DMZ... so that's the next thing I will mess with when I get home, i.e., remove it from DMZ and see if I can still get an open NAT in the game. -n With R1 in DMZ UPnP & port forwarding can be disabled on the G1100. UPnP should still be enabled on the Duma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 That makes total sense (on primary router, setting UPnP or port forwarding to a secondary router that's been placed into DMZ, would serve no benefit per se). I think I was attempting to theorize whether the opposite of that would be equivalent, as in, if UPnP (or PFing) was configured on both routers (in my case at the moment, UPnP is enabled on both), then perhaps there is no need to have the Duma in DMZ. I'm sure it just all depends on whether I can still get an open NAT in the game. Either way, sounds great, I'll mess around and see what happens but worst case at least now I have a means to ensure an open NAT, woot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 Ok, so, if I turn off UPnP on the G1100 I get ping results ranging from 35-150 ms. Re-enabling it on the G1100 I'm back to 3-4 ms. Kinda makes sense, assuming that enabling UPnP on the G1100 helps route ping traces to/from my MacBook (which was connected to the Duma and was the source of the Speedtest. 1) Is it possible I was too verbose and we missed that this is the path: Internet (Fios Giga) <-> G1100 <-> Duma <-> devices of interest (PS4, MacBook, etc.)? 2) Is there any reason for concern that in order to achieve this 3-4 ms ping result, that UPnP is enabled on both the G1100 and the Duma? That is, would there be any reason that UPnP enabled on both routers is considered 'bad' or 'less desirable' at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 9, 2017 Administrators Share Posted August 9, 2017 Ok, so, if I turn off UPnP on the G1100 I get ping results ranging from 35-150 ms. Re-enabling it on the G1100 I'm back to 3-4 ms. Kinda makes sense, assuming that enabling UPnP on the G1100 helps route ping traces to/from my MacBook (which was connected to the Duma and was the source of the Speedtest. 1) Is it possible I was too verbose and we missed that this is the path: Internet (Fios Giga) G1100 Duma devices of interest (PS4, MacBook, etc.)? 2) Is there any reason for concern that in order to achieve this 3-4 ms ping result, that UPnP is enabled on both the G1100 and the Duma? That is, would there be any reason that UPnP enabled on both routers is considered 'bad' or 'less desirable' at all? The DMZ passes everything to the Netduma. UPnP is helpful if there are devices connected to it so it opens ports for those devices if needed. However there should be no devices connected to the G1100 other than the Duma. In which case UPnP on the G1100 is not needed as everything is passed to the Netduma, then the UPnP on the Netduma opens the necessary ports. UPnP forwarding in Duma miscellaneous settings should also be disabled as it attempts to open ports upstream but that's not needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Thanks; this is very helpful sir. Should someone in a similar situation ever finds this, let me clarify a couple things to help extrapolating etc... 1) In the context of my opening post/inquiry and in assimilating Mr Fraser et al.'s comments above, it appears that running everything through the Duma, while reducing the paid-for bandwidth by half, is nonetheless the most advantageous option in terms of control/moderation of a given home network. Currently however, this is not what's going on in my scenario (and wanted to be clear for others). 2) The current setup at this time: G1100 - handles basically all the wireless devices that can utilize 5G (our phones, tablets, laptops, roomate's Alexa, and the unit's thermostat) Duma - consoles (2 PS4s) and an occasional gaming PC my kids bring when they come to visit. There is also a run from the Duma over to a switch where the TV is, that hardwires an Apple TV box, the TV itself, and my roommate's torrent box. TL;DR Devices I want/need wired (gaming) and/or have control over (stuff that streams), are hardwired and pass through the Duma. The G1100 is used only for 5G wireless devices. To my earlier point, I guess I was just surprised and was seeking input as to whether a 130-150 ms jump in ping is expected based simply on whether one's "router #1 of 2" has UPnP enabled. Thanks again, I'm off to find a lobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Also, where I keep scratching my head with concepts here is, with our goofy Giga plan (and thus CC is inactivated), does it really matter what device is connected where, if the key feature now is more or less exclusively the GeoFilter?... hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nollies1 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Lol. I meant as in, does it really matter what (non-gaming) device is connected where... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 10, 2017 Administrators Share Posted August 10, 2017 To my earlier point, I guess I was just surprised and was seeking input as to whether a 130-150 ms jump in ping is expected based simply on whether one's "router #1 of 2" has UPnP enabled. Also, where I keep scratching my head with concepts here is, with our goofy Giga plan (and thus CC is inactivated), does it really matter what device is connected where, if the key feature now is more or less exclusively the GeoFilter?... hmmm It can create conflicts having UPnP/DMZ/UPnP/Port forwarding etc all enabled at once, conflicts causing that high a ping rise I am unsure off. Yeah I guess it doesn't really matter about CC at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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