Harley

I've given up. I sold my XR1000 and bought something else instead. The problem is that the XR1000 had a problem with the very thing I needed most. My connection suffers from bad buffer bloat, but there is a bug in the XR1000 that affects the solution if you happen to have a PPPoE connection - which I do. I waited nearly two years, I couldn't wait any longer. I use Cake now in a Merlin Asus, which does the job perfectly. Not sure whether to be nice or nasty to Netduma over this. On the one hand, other companies are just as bad for not fixing problems in routers, so you can't really single them out. On the other hand, Netduma has the will, but not the way - it seems that their testing process is just bogging them down. From my perspective, the company has two alternatives, the first is to get the testing sorted, the second is to give up on anything other than really serious updates and concentrate on new products - I would have been happy if I could have bought an XR2000. As it stands, though, waiting two years and having nothing to show is not a great thing.

I picked up a broken XR1000 the other day, and indeed, it really was broken! But the Antenna are fine. They are original Netgear SMA female connectors. If anyone wants them, they can have them free. Just let me know.

Well there is a fix on the way, I believe. Also, it doesn't look like you have that much of a problem with bufferbloat anyway, so I would wait for the fix.

Buffer bloat doesn't work on the XR1000 if you have a pppoe connection. This is the result for me with the XR1000... And this is the result for me with the XR700......

I have finished blinging my XR1000. What do you think? Enough LED's or maybe some more?

I have Torguard and get very good speeds. Up to about 200mbps. I also have WTF but this depends as to whether you actually have a problem. The results vary. I used to have HMA and they are beyond terrible. The truth is that while they hide your a**, they do not protect it at all. If you do anything dodgy they will report you. I clicked on a link once, entirely by accident, and it started downloading a file. I stopped it immediately. However, turned out that it was a copyrighted file and the owner went after me. They contacted HMA. HMA promptly warned me (meaning they had kept records) and said if I ever did anything like that again, they would hand the information over to the copyright holder.

There seems to be a lot of Star Wars around at the moment....

I've seen mine do this before. It's "apparently" given two addresses to the same device. I think it's just giving it a second one without actually releasing the first. I'm not very knowledgeable about that, so I could be wrong, but it will eventually update and never seems to cause any harm.

I must confess, I am starting to get a little impatient here. I have been waiting for 18 months now for a fix to the QOS for the XR1000. One of the most important features for me is the ability to limit bandwidth when I am playing a game, to reduce upload buffer bloat. This is a feature that doesn't work (you told me) because of the type of connection I have (pppoe or something). I seem to remember in the distant past using two routers to test this. Using two proves the point but is not a workable long-term solution. As an alternative to a bug fix, I wouldn't mind if a new router was released or something, but the lack of communication on all matters is slowly pushing me towards buying some other make. I love DumaOS, I really do, and I certainly do not want to abandon it, but the dog needs a bone.

Oh, I would find in really useful. It's important for me that the router realises I am playing a game and how much easier that it indicates it has an issue without me having to log in to it.

Ah, some interesting ones popped up from tp-link and MSI ..... this is the sort of thing I am talking about.

Why so rude, I wonder? The reason it would be important for me, is when I am playing a game it's not convenient to log in to the router, but I need to know if the router recognises the game that I'm playing. How much easier it would be to just look at the router and see. It could be implemented as say an option for one LED, so people could choose what they want displayed.

Did I mention this before? I think I might have done. PLEAAASE!! Add a LED that lights up when the router detects a game. Much easier than having to go inside it to check.

When was the V2 released? (not the firmware, the product).

I used to get this sort of issue when Openreach was doing local maintenance. Always seemed to be late in the evening at about the same time.

Did you factory reset the modem after you upgraded it? You should.

Not if they can install the file themselves. You wouldn't have to do anything.

Perhaps you could introduce a file in later products that is replaceable. Then set up a community open-source project on this forum to allow users to translate - making very clear that you guys are not responsible for miss-translations. I am certain that this is something enthusiasts would do.

I am not sure why people keep talking about base ping. I know what base ping is and I have never thought for an instant that any router can change that. People are either bothered by data collection or they aren't. I am one of the people who is. I just think that it's unnecessary and intrusive. I might add it would help if companies data policies were clearer. For example if I was told that Duma was about to send information about applications to a central database to identify an app so it could decide whether it was a game or not, then that would be fine, but so often companies are not clear on what they send and what they do with the data (I am not saying DumaOS does that, lol, it was just an example). Yep. I just think that in the world of gaming bling counts a lot and Duma could do with a coat of paint. That's not just a criticism of Duma, I might add, the recent crop of routers are mostly very cheap looking. Even routers that are outrageously priced. Just plain plastic with nothing blingy about them at all! I have my backup XR700 and that looks so much better than the XR1000. Amazing what a coat of paint will do.

I know what he meant but I does anyone claim to reduce ping on an empty network? ( that really is a question ) Or is it just people assume that's what it will do? I have seen this a lot with network products. Remember Killer? Actually that was a really good system but like so many things it won't solve a problem if your local network doesn't have a problem. But people who don't have a problem buy in to it then slate it because it "doesn't work" !! It's like Gaming VPN's. Won't get you any closer to the server, but it may find a better route. Accent is on the "may". But people didn't realise it was "may" and slated the product when it didn't work for them. I think gaming routers definitely have a purpose, just if people randomly think it will make things better when they haven't worked out what the problem is then they are likely to be disappointed. Anyway, back to bling, no, I don't like the design either, it's a horrible looking router ( I actually bought one and sent it back it was so rubbish ). It has interesting performance but I really didn't like the involvement of Trend and the horrible looks. The router can send your kids emails to Trend for analysis. I mean, come on, there has to be some privacy, especially for children.

Perfect example here - OK it's a bit Japanese (doh-bots), but you get the idea. This thing sells for a massive £150 more than the standard router.

You are a network engineer so you have a very good understanding of the inner workings of a router. But the average person does not, and doesn't want to spend the time messing about. They want a plug in solution that is easy to understand. Don't forget that many people are simply not technically minded and no matter how many books you give them they simply will not grasp the fundamentals. A gaming router is an out of the box solution that gives them what they want. I mean, honestly, don't you think it's a bit crazy to expect people to "read up" on networking to configure their router? I am really puzzled by your comment that ping can't be reduced. I guess you never read about Adaptive QOS at college then! I mean this is a fundamental for gaming in a modern (busy) home network, yet it is something you certainly do not find in every router. It's called Buffer Bloat or Congestion Control in the DumaOS routers. Thing is about Adaptive QOS is the router MUST recognise the high priority traffic and a DumaOS router will thanks to the list of games it recognises. That's what makes it a gaming router and it's also why a Cisco router is not. I have hundreds of games. It is far more valuable to me that my router recognises all of these games "off the shelf" rather than having to "teach" a Cisco router how. In my case my latency was 2ms to my ISP. That collapsed to 200ms when the connection was seriously busy. I might add that it was the XR1000 and DumaOS that told me about that problem. I think you will know that's useless for gaming. I ticked ONE TICK BOX on the XR1000 DumaOS router and it dropped to 12ms. THAT is what I want. No books. No fumbling. Five seconds and a huge improvement in performance. The key thing in that process was that DumaOS recognised I was gaming without me having to do anything - a Cisco Router will not do that. It doesn't stop there, either, there are features in DumaOS that simply are not in a Cisco router. Finally, I like a product to look like a home product, not something that fell out the back of a data center with a plate of spaghetti hanging out the front. If you like that look, then fine, buy that look, but please don't criticise my choices! And certainly do not imply that my choices indicate a lack of gaming skill. That's just cheap, elitist nonsense.

Hence force you shall be known as DOOM! NetDoomer Fraser. Yep I think it would be good to have optional plug in aerials, lol. But the upright concept seems to be one that is gaining popularity. I guess it all comes down to where people put them, but the smaller footprint seems to appeal to many.

I'd like to see vertical routers. Can you imagine it? You could make them all sci-fi, like a neon building. I mean the idea of course comes from the Alien. Not a product I would actually buy, but if DumaOS was in it it would be a different story. But their design is BORING compared to what I would do, lol. You could even build the router in to various sculptures of characters. Awesome!

SATAN BE GONE! *burns your forehead with my silver cross* May God strike down this foul purveyor of bling-blasphemy!