Jitter

[Netduma Fraser]

48 minutes ago, Reykc9510 said:

I think I'm understanding correctly. So would it be better to use the other mode for server selection an box around the servers I want to connect to? So even though im in Florida an I set my radius to another location on the map its still gonna hinder me because my ip address is actually in fl?

You can still use the radius but you should cover servers you know roughly what you will ping to (use Ping Heatmap) so you can select the next lowest ping servers. The further away the servers are the higher ping they'll have and the worse they'll play.

[Reykc9510]

2 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said:

12 isn't the best but it's certainly not going to hugely negatively impact your game, if you do everything else to ensure you're connecting to the closest server, have it setup to limit the bufferbloat then you shouldn't notice it too much. Given you've changed IPs and it's happening direct to your modem (ruling the router out as a culprit) then it's likely something less easily resolved such as the wiring inside/outside the home or to the cabinet/exchange for example. 

 

2 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said:

Your eyes can do about 13ms so you literally can't perceive that difference. You're selecting a server further away than where you're located so the game stability is going to be lower, it's unlikely the jitter that is getting you but people who have a lower ping that live closer to the server. Use Ping Heatmap, identify the next lowest ping server and force that one instead. At the limit of your radius you might be getting a server almost on the other side of the country.

 

1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said:

I didn't say you had it set there but the outer limit of your radius is in Utah which is almost the other side of the country from you and there is a server in that location so if I had to guess it's going to be at least an extra 20ms if you were on that server. Also given the timezones within the US, you're covering two other time zones who are up to 2hrs behind you so based on the times you mentioned it being worse you're covering around their peak time. So playing on those servers before the time you mentioned might be great, in which case, playing actually on servers closer to home during that time frame might play better. Also, whether you play on the Florida servers because of 'sweats' or not, they are going to be the best servers for you, we can't make the further away servers play more like closer servers so at the end of the day your issue is the connection and your radius setup is not conducive to having a good connection.

 

2 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said:

You can still use the radius but you should cover servers you know roughly what you will ping to (use Ping Heatmap) so you can select the next lowest ping servers. The further away the servers are the higher ping they'll have and the worse they'll play.

Ok an that makes the jitter bad also? That's mainly what my issue has been.

[Reykc9510]

1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said:

You can still use the radius but you should cover servers you know roughly what you will ping to (use Ping Heatmap) so you can select the next lowest ping servers. The further away the servers are the higher ping they'll have and the worse they'll play.

So when im using the bufferbloat it just randomly selecting a server in my radius on geo filter?  I thought buffer bloat jusr tests your network? This screenshot is right now see how it changed from this morning 

[Netduma Fraser]

1 hour ago, Reykc9510 said:

Ok an that makes the jitter bad also? That's mainly what my issue has been.

8 minutes ago, Reykc9510 said:

So when im using the bufferbloat it just randomly selecting a server in my radius on geo filter?  I thought buffer bloat jusr tests your network? This screenshot is right now see how it changed from this morning 

Yes playing on a further away server is likely to worsen your jitter.

No, the Geo-Filter and your bufferbloat test are not connected. 

The Geo-Filter shows game servers you connect to, it is highly unlikely to show the bufferbloat server you're using. The bufferbloat server could be anywhere, that's the point, doing the test at different times of the day could have you connecting to different servers and therefore getting different results. This is why I as well as Darkness said not to put too much emphasis on its results. Yes it is testing your network utilizing a server for the test. Here is an analogy for you.

Your ping without bufferbloat is like driving your car on an empty road, you're going to a location and you know how long it will take you to get there, for example 20 minutes. This could be your baseline ping for example 20ms. 

Your ping with bufferbloat is like driving your car on a road with traffic, you're going to the same location and you know how long it should take you to get there (e.g. the 20 minutes), however due to the bad traffic it actually takes you 40 minutes to get to the same destination. Your ping here could be 40ms for example.

In regards to the server the bufferbloat test is using, without a destination to test it against you can't get a ping value or a destination to drive to. Now imagine your place of work changed depending on the time of day and the time you start work changes as well therefore it could take you anywhere from 10 minutes to 1hr to get there. Would you be so confident to say that it takes you 10 minutes to commute to work everyday? Without knowing the server the bufferbloat test is using your results cannot be 100% trusted. That's why the pingplotter suggestion is better, you know the exact server you're using, you do a test to establish your baseline ping (ping without bufferbloat) and then apply traffic and your ping raises, just like road traffic extends your journey time and then you apply Congestion Control to limit the effect that traffic has on your ping. 

There really isn't anything else we can advise honestly:

1. You've established it's an issue without the R3 - that automatically eliminates us personally from needing to troubleshoot with you
2. We've advised you select the closest possible servers, this will help lower the ping and improve stability (jitter)
3. We've advised you on how to effectively test and set your Congestion Control percentages to lower your ping and improve stability when bufferbloat would ordinarily apply

[Reykc9510]

23 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said:

Yes playing on a further away server is likely to worsen your jitter.

No, the Geo-Filter and your bufferbloat test are not connected. 

The Geo-Filter shows game servers you connect to, it is highly unlikely to show the bufferbloat server you're using. The bufferbloat server could be anywhere, that's the point, doing the test at different times of the day could have you connecting to different servers and therefore getting different results. This is why I as well as Darkness said not to put too much emphasis on its results. Yes it is testing your network utilizing a server for the test. Here is an analogy for you.

Your ping without bufferbloat is like driving your car on an empty road, you're going to a location and you know how long it will take you to get there, for example 20 minutes. This could be your baseline ping for example 20ms. 

Your ping with bufferbloat is like driving your car on a road with traffic, you're going to the same location and you know how long it should take you to get there (e.g. the 20 minutes), however due to the bad traffic it actually takes you 40 minutes to get to the same destination. Your ping here could be 40ms for example.

In regards to the server the bufferbloat test is using, without a destination to test it against you can't get a ping value or a destination to drive to. Now imagine your place of work changed depending on the time of day and the time you start work changes as well therefore it could take you anywhere from 10 minutes to 1hr to get there. Would you be so confident to say that it takes you 10 minutes to commute to work everyday? Without knowing the server the bufferbloat test is using your results cannot be 100% trusted. That's why the pingplotter suggestion is better, you know the exact server you're using, you do a test to establish your baseline ping (ping without bufferbloat) and then apply traffic and your ping raises, just like road traffic extends your journey time and then you apply Congestion Control to limit the effect that traffic has on your ping. 

There really isn't anything else we can advise honestly:

1. You've established it's an issue without the R3 - that automatically eliminates us personally from needing to troubleshoot with you
2. We've advised you select the closest possible servers, this will help lower the ping and improve stability (jitter)
3. We've advised you on how to effectively test and set your Congestion Control percentages to lower your ping and improve stability when bufferbloat would ordinarily apply

Thank you I appreciate it 

[DARKNESS]

@Reykc9510Well, now you have your answer! Here's a clip—you just had to right-click. It took me some time to make this video since I decided to create just one to save people some time. I’ll probably upload it to YouTube later, but I’m trying to fully master Final Cut before doing so. This is my first video using Final Cut, and while it was a bit confusing, I noticed the text doesn’t look as sharp. That’s another thing I need to figure out as I continue learning.

• https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxFC5SWcTFMU4FPgFXIPj09F4FBrHVVn/view?usp=sharing

[Reykc9510]

31 minutes ago, DARKNESS said:

@Reykc9510Well, now you have your answer! Here's a clip—you just had to right-click. It took me some time to make this video since I decided to create just one to save people some time. I’ll probably upload it to YouTube later, but I’m trying to fully master Final Cut before doing so. This is my first video using Final Cut, and while it was a bit confusing, I noticed the text doesn’t look as sharp. That’s another thing I need to figure out as I continue learning.

• https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zxFC5SWcTFMU4FPgFXIPj09F4FBrHVVn/view?usp=sharing

I appreciate all the help an responses. I'll definitely tune in tomorrow sometime an get on an follow the steps on your video. Taken the boat out tomorrow offshore an getting some fishing in, finally got some decent weather offshore.