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Device Manager - Phantom Connections?


Zac
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I have woken up in a bit of a haze but I'm trying to make sense of things on my network. After I updated to .23 I did a factory reset and all my devices are now unknown. I don't know if there is a way for the router to automatically identify devices by their assigned name? If there is that would be ideal.

Anyway, after about an hour of painstakingly identifying and naming my devices I am left puzzled by one remaining Ethernet connection.

 

My router has 3 Ethernet connections:

1. XR1000 (in AP Mode and it constantly disappears and re-appears which is very annoying but is what it is)

2. My computer

3. Apply tv

 

I now have a 4th connection which I have appropriately labelled ? it has a Lan and Mac address and has registered usage but... I don't have a 4th device.

Am I going crazy here? Happy to delete this post if I am overlooking something completely simple but after scratching my head for an hour with my morning coffee I figured i'd post here in case somebody smarter then myself has the answer. I somehow think that my XR1000 is showing up as two devices but they have different mac addresses etc.

 

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Oh and on a completely unrelated note, happy to make a separate post, all the traffic to my Apple TV is classified as unknown instead of 'Video & Streaming' no idea how to fix or adjust this? for now I have just prioritised that device.

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If your setup is like mines were you have the R3 WiFi disabled or all your devices connected to the XR then it going to show up as if it a lan device even though it isn't I don't think there a fix for that though it not like it affects your experience etc.

What are you specifically watching on your apple tv? As not everything will be prioritized as it is based on a DPI catalog so generally it is best to force prioritize the devices you want for the most optimal connection.

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12 minutes ago, DARKNESS said:

If your setup is like mines were you have the R3 WiFi disabled or all your devices connected to the XR then it going to show up as if it a lan device even though it isn't I don't think there a fix for that though it not like it affects your experience etc.

What are you specifically watching on your apple tv? As not everything will be prioritized as it is based on a DPI catalog so generally it is best to force prioritize the devices you want for the most optimal connection.

No I have my wifi on my R3 still on. And it's still showing my xr1000 and this phantom device. I know what you mean though, like if my devices are connected to my xr1000 they won;'t show up on my device manager. But i'm talking about wired connections to my R3 is showing an extra device that makes no sense.

As for the appletv doesn't matter what content none of it is recognised as media.

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@ZacThey do show up on device manager they just appear as LAN connections instead of wireless connections I would just disable the R3 WiFi since if your multi-casting with the same network name/ID then that might be the cause for your confusion as there can be a possibility that your device is connected to the XR instead of the R3.

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2 hours ago, Zac said:

Atm I am casting my XR1000 with a different wifi name due to troubleshooting

What’s the MAC address of the unknown client?

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3 hours ago, DARKNESS said:

@ZacThey do show up on device manager they just appear as LAN connections instead of wireless connections I would just disable the R3 WiFi since if your multi-casting with the same network name/ID then that might be the cause for your confusion as there can be a possibility that your device is connected to the XR instead of the R3.

it's different to the XR1000 they both have their own unique mac address

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1 hour ago, Newfie said:

What’s the MAC address of the unknown client?

it's different to the XR1000 they both have their own unique mac address

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2 hours ago, Newfie said:

Have you looked it up, that why I asked

Right, well yeah just looked now it says google but it's not a 1:1 match. It's okay it's not a big deal have other issues that are more pressing. I will disconnect my XR1000 later and see if both dissapear it's just a strange bug.

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A device that connects via different methods will have different MAC addresses so it is possible it's one of your existing devices already. Reboot the router, delete all offline devices and see if it comes back

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1 hour ago, Netduma Fraser said:

A device that connects via different methods will have different MAC addresses so it is possible it's one of your existing devices already. Reboot the router, delete all offline devices and see if it comes back

i'll have a go.

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On 1/19/2024 at 12:22 PM, DARKNESS said:

If your setup is like mines were you have the R3 WiFi disabled or all your devices connected to the XR then it going to show up as if it a lan device even though it isn't I don't think there a fix for that though it not like it affects your experience etc.

What are you specifically watching on your apple tv? As not everything will be prioritized as it is based on a DPI catalog so generally it is best to force prioritize the devices you want for the most optimal connection.

OMG I am such a dummy. I just mis-read what you were saying. I flashed my firmware last night and wanted to take another look at this so called phantom device. So this time it showed up as my chromecast device which was connected to my XR1000 in AP mode. But I have the same wireless names. So indeed anything connected to my XR1000 shows up as a Lan connection. It would be cool if they could modify the interface at one point to show it being connected off the actual AP device appose to a wired connection which it isn't.... @Netduma Fraser Any chance this could be achieved as a low priority feature requested for a future update? or is it a limitation of being connected to an AP.

So you were indeed 100% correct. I now have everything named and identified correctly - case closed.

 

Also to avoid creating a new thread. Though I can if that's appropriate.

Annoying most of my devices are connecting to my XR1000 due to it simply having stronger and faster connection practically anywhere in my house. But since it's a great router It does lead me to another follow up question,

I have my xr1000 in AP mode downstairs other end of my house, the R3 in my office for the other half.

As I understand it. A device in AP mode essentially passes all the traffic back to the R3 for it to process. As we have seen the R3 if you have a lot of devices can eat into the available CPU power quite a bit. Since the XR1000 is a powerhouse hardware wise. Would I be better off taking it out of AP mode and letting the devices in my garage be handled by it? For example have a bunch of my wife's "smart appliances, we had to buy" in the garage connected to my XR1000 and a chromecast etc for the guest bedroom tv.

Just wondering if I could set it up so both devices operate off same wifi name. Enabling my WiFi devices to connect to the nearest/fastest AP. However balance the workload by letting them both operate and handle network traffic?

My gaming PC most important in the house is Ethernet to R3 so it doesn't effect me at all.

Also Are you supposed to DMZ another router that's acting as an AP? Like should I DMZ my XR1000?

 

- Sorry learning so much about networking stuff through this forum so figured why not ask.

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Leave the XR1000 as the AP, the devices that connect to that are easily handled back to the R3. You don’t need to DMZ an AP. 
 

devices handle connection, some equipment can persuade them to move over to a closer AP but in general the device will move over. 

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@Zac

  • R3 - Hard to say but I would guess that it can handle around 50 or so devices you can test it and if it overheats then adding a cooling fan should solve the problem.
  • Technically you can use two routers though you'll need to have a splitter and a MoCA and you can say it a cable monster from there on though I've seen people manage it so just depends on the user 😂
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The R3 can handle that many devices so it's not a problem. With an AP technically the devices connected to it are seen as wired to the router as at no point does it connect to the R3 WiFi so it would be hard to overwrite that. You don't need to DMZ the AP either. 

I think maybe in theory if you rename the WiFi to be the same that could achieve what you want, I haven't tried it so not sure how effective it would be.

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