Unfinished Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 As per the title, what issues are likely to be experienced with a strict NAT type, specifically for games such as Apex and Warzone? Is there going to be a real and noticeable difference, or is it mainly just theoretical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 6, 2022 Administrators Share Posted August 6, 2022 Well in theory because they are both server based games it shouldn't matter too much as you all connect to the server, not to each other specifically. However, a strict NAT could reduce the amount of servers you're able to connect to or result in long search times and depending on how they deal with people on a strict NAT you may play with others who have the same status. A strict NAT inherently means you will have trouble connecting to some services/servers so it can have an affect on your connection, traffic may have trouble reaching the source/destination properly. So people with a strict NAT may have a worse connection generally which you may feel when playing against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfinished Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 Thanks Fraser, I was wondering if it cause latency or packet loss in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 6, 2022 Administrators Share Posted August 6, 2022 40 minutes ago, Unfinished said: Thanks Fraser, I was wondering if it cause latency or packet loss in some cases. Yes it could, if traffic can't reach the source/destination unimpeded then this can create latency and packet loss, it can differ, some people with a strict NAT are unable to play at all and others can. If possible strict NAT should definitely be avoided, if it's moderate then its not too bad and you likely won't notice as much difference in connection quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfinished Posted August 6, 2022 Author Share Posted August 6, 2022 Well, the reason for asking is that the move from FTTC at 7mbps to full fibre at 200mbps, hasn’t resulted in night and day differences yet. I can still see packet loss, although the game does seem to be smoother. Having dealt with the ISP tech support, they were working on a solution to provide an open NAT. This could only be by allowing specified ports or devices through their network unimpeded. Interestingly their supplied gateway did on one occasion, allow an open NAT, but I don’t know why that would have been? In the meantime, I’ll try a rented IP address and see how that goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 6, 2022 Administrators Share Posted August 6, 2022 Changing ISP and to higher speeds doesn't necessarily mean lower/more stable ping but if they're helping you with NAT it sounds like it could be something on their end, CG-NAT or otherwise that is restricting you. If it happened one time and with no change on your end it could be they switched you to CG-NAT or something else caused a port conflict, keep us posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfinished Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 They did confirm that they use CG-NAT and as a new startup, probably only this, but I did find out that they will be gearing up for IPv6 soon, so that should resolve the issue. My static IP either hasn't gone live yet, or it just isn't giving me an open NAT, so likely just an assigned address behind their routers and still on CG-NAT. Why would they give me a static address on a CG-NAT network? Wouldn't that be pointless? I will have a chat with them tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted August 9, 2022 Administrators Share Posted August 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, Unfinished said: They did confirm that they use CG-NAT and as a new startup, probably only this, but I did find out that they will be gearing up for IPv6 soon, so that should resolve the issue. My static IP either hasn't gone live yet, or it just isn't giving me an open NAT, so likely just an assigned address behind their routers and still on CG-NAT. Why would they give me a static address on a CG-NAT network? Wouldn't that be pointless? I will have a chat with them tomorrow. I don't think they would have as the point of CG-NAT is so that they get around the lack of IP addresses, keep us posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfinished Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 It is an IP address on their network, but supposedly setup to be open, I cannot really comment in any meaningful technical way, as this is beyond my knowledge. Configuration changes their end gave me a moderate NAT and I have tech support attending in person tomorrow to try and get a handle on what is going on. I'll update when I have more info. On another note, is it possible to setup devices in the DMZ on the R2? If so, how, as I couldn't see where this could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfinished Posted August 10, 2022 Author Share Posted August 10, 2022 Thanks for the info. I'll not post any more comments here, as I've got a similar thread running on the R2 forum. Netduma Fraser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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