sol74 Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Hi there! I am looking for a new router and I wonder if the R1 is the right device for me needs. I have: 1x TV, used for Netflix/Amazon Video (4k stream supported) 1x XBox One - used by my kids 1x my PC where I play BF4, BF1, Titanfall 2, Overwatch 1x kids PC where they also play online games 4x Phones (mine, wife, kids) used to watch YouTube, Netflix, ..... OneDrive to sync pohots/videos, etc. fibre internet, 35Mbps down / 5Mbps up The problem we face on a daily basis is that OneDrive sync, netflix/YouTube/amazon video, general downloads, game downloads, automatic W10 updates, automatic XBox Updates, ..... cause ping spikes while playing games online since these eat up all the bandwidth. I have read about the traffic shaping and QoS inside the Netduma - but to me it seems that I have to change those sliders inside the WebUI when you play a game. It does not automatically prioritize gaming/voip traffic. Is that right? I am looking for a solution that does not require manual adjustments all the time. Ideally I want to setup the router and never touch it again. Can the R1 do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 If you just want to utilize congestion control, you could find your "sweet spot" and set it and leave it alone. But there's so much more the router can do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol74 Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 If you just want to utilize congestion control, you could find your "sweet spot" and set it and leave it alone. But there's so much more the router can do Thanks for your reply! The problem with this is that when I want to download or upload files then I have to go back in the webUI and raise the sliders to 100% then. Correct? This is not what I want. I want the router to automatically prioritize game/voip, etc. traffic. But when no one is playing, etc. then I want to be able to get the full up/down bandwidth - without going to the webUI first and moving the sliders back to 100%. Then I read about https://netduma.com/features/hyper-traffic/- but I don't want to prioritize devices, and the list of supported services is very short. Adding a service/game manually seems not to be 100% reliable as I read in some topics. For me a flexible and intelligent QoS is the most important feature of a (gaming) router. I want to spent my time enjoying games, not fiddle around with the settings of the router. Can the Netduma R1 provide this? If so "how" - the info I found so far looks like it can't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just set the slider to whatever value works best for your connection so that your ping is least impacted by uploading/downloading and leave it there. For me with 240 Mbps down and 12 Mbps upload I can literally set it at 99% and my ping will be good enough. Since you have such low speeds you'd probably have to drop it to 70% but it won't be anything too noticeable. Any other router QoS you'd have to manually manage what device and services gets what priority. On the Netduma you drag a slider lol which is easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol74 Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 Just set the slider to whatever value works best for your connection so that your ping is least impacted by uploading/downloading and leave it there. For me with 240 Mbps down and 12 Mbps upload I can literally set it at 99% and my ping will be good enough. Since you have such low speeds you'd probably have to drop it to 70% but it won't be anything too noticeable. Setting the sliders to 70% for up&down will have a significant impact on my connection. as I then go from 35/5 to 24.5/3.5 I don't like the idea to pay more for a faster plan just to have the router then take the extra away. :-/ Any other router QoS you'd have to manually manage what device and services gets what priority. On the Netduma you drag a slider lol which is easier? The R1 is one of 3 routers that I am looking at. Netgear Nighthawk with Dynamic QoS is allegedly able to do traffic shaping on a per service basis through deep packet inspection. It knows what is game traffic (small but frequent packets), Netflix, YouTube, downloads, etc. and limits the bandwidth accordingly. The other router i am looking at is a corporate grade EdgeMax. For both you dial in your max bandwidth and the rest is taken care of by the router. No manual adjustment of sliders, and you get the full bandwidth when available. The reason why I started this thread was to make sure if the R1 works like the other two, or (as I suspected from the information available) you have to manually adjust the flood control sliders all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted February 6, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 6, 2017 Hey, welcome to the forum! Can definitely eliminate those lag spikes your getting from all your devices using the internet. Even with the sliders lowered your download/uploads would not be too effected i.e. downloading a file would not take significantly longer at all. So you could just leave them lowered all the time. Hyper traffic does prioritise your gaming device to ensure it's packets are sent/received first which further decreases jitter/spikes. Adding the service means it covers all the ports necessary for the game. If you did insist on raising the sliders each time then the lag eliminating benefits would significantly outweigh the 10 seconds it takes to put the sliders back to 100 but thats just my 2 cents. I can say very confidently that our 'QoS' is much better than any other router provides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iAmMoDBoX Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Setting the sliders to 70% for up&down will have a significant impact on my connection. as I then go from 35/5 to 24.5/3.5 I don't like the idea to pay more for a faster plan just to have the router then take the extra away. :-/ Any QoS limits bandwidth unless done by your ISP. So either way you'll be losing bandwidth. It's just up to you if you wanna fiddle around with manually setting each port in a standard router QoS system or not. In my opinion dragging a slider to 70% and never touching it again is a much better option than anything else out there that I've used. The ~10 Mbps drop you'd face is almost insignificant, especially since like I said I can drop mine to 99% and still eliminate most of the ping spikes that come from uploading/downloading while gaming. Combine the congestion control with the device prioritization and hyper traffic and you can make sure 100% of the time that your gaming devices have full priority over anything else in the house. But again, this is just my opinion from a Netduma Veteran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol74 Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 thx for your reply Fraser! Even with the sliders lowered your download/uploads would not be too effected i.e. downloading a file would not take significantly longer at all. So you could just leave them lowered all the time.This is a bit confusing. You say that when I lower up&down to 70% then I can still up/download at full speed? I don't go from 35/5 to 24.5/3.5? Hyper traffic does prioritise your gaming device to ensure it's packets are sent/received first which further decreases jitter/spikes. Adding the service means it covers all the ports necessary for the game.based on a video I have seen you need to select the device and then add the ports&IP adress. The list of services is sadly rather short. So in my case Overwatch is played on both PC's (son and I - we mostly play together). Overwatch uses a wide range of ports: TCP 1119, 3724, 6113, 80 / UDP 6250, 5062, 5060, 12000-64000, 3478, 3479 How would you setup Hyper Traffic in this case? I can say very confidently that our 'QoS' is much better than any other router provides.Can you elaborate what exactly makes it better than i.e. Netgears Dynamic QoS, or UBNT's Smart Queue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted February 6, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 6, 2017 thx for your reply Fraser! This is a bit confusing. You say that when I lower up&down to 70% then I can still up/download at full speed? I don't go from 35/5 to 24.5/3.5? based on a video I have seen you need to select the device and then add the ports&IP adress. The list of services is sadly rather short. So in my case Overwatch is played on both PC's (son and I - we mostly play together). Overwatch uses a wide range of ports: TCP 1119, 3724, 6113, 80 / UDP 6250, 5062, 5060, 12000-64000, 3478, 3479 How would you setup Hyper Traffic in this case? Can you elaborate what exactly makes it better than i.e. Netgears Dynamic QoS, or UBNT's Smart Queue? It won't be full speed but the download will not be that much effected, if you take a look at the video you linked. You'll see that the torrent is downloading on average 2mbps. After lowering the anti-flood to ~65 the torrent is still hitting that average speed. Does that make sense? No you wouldn't need to do that. Just select your PC's and choose the Xbox Live service, that will encompass all the ports you need - I realise that isn't clear unless you've been on the knowledge base or we've told you, that will change in DumaOS. From a technical level I can't explain it as I did not develop it myself personally. However, as you can see from that video the ping dropped back down to what it was previously, without the downloads, uploads etc being affected. This will almost certainly never happen on other routers - the ping may be lowered slightly but not back to the normal rate. It would likely fluctuate quite a lot with the downloads etc still being affected. We're actually patent pending on our QoS. You can take a look at this also which is an improved version of our existing QoS which will be present in DumaOS: https://netduma.com/blog/announcement-unveiling-the-worlds-greatest-qos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol74 Posted February 6, 2017 Author Share Posted February 6, 2017 No you wouldn't need to do that. Just select your PC's and choose the Xbox Live service, that will encompass all the ports you need - I realise that isn't clear unless you've been on the knowledge base or we've told you, that will change in DumaOS.So I add my PC's and my XBox One to Hyper-Traffic and select "Xbox Live" as service for all of them which causes that game data is prioritized regarless of which specific game it is? (Overwatch, BF1, BF4, RO2, Totanfall 2, etc.). Correct? You can take a look at this also which is an improved version of our existing QoS which will be present in DumaOS: https://netduma.com/blog/announcement-unveiling-the-worlds-greatest-qos/So that QoS that will be part of DumaOS (I read that it's still in development and a beta will start next month?) sounds like the "plug and play" solution I am after. Or do I also have to create rules like with that hyper Traffic right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted February 6, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 6, 2017 So I add my PC's and my XBox One to Hyper-Traffic and select "Xbox Live" as service for all of them which causes that game data is prioritized regarless of which specific game it is? (Overwatch, BF1, BF4, RO2, Totanfall 2, etc.). Correct? So that QoS that will be part of DumaOS (I read that it's still in development and a beta will start next month?) sounds like the "plug and play" solution I am after. Or do I also have to create rules like with that hyper Traffic right now? Yes thats correct. Yes it will be a part of DumaOS, we'll have to see about that how it will be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol74 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thanks for your help Fraser! I'am still not sure if the R1 is the best devices for my usecase. I will have to do a bit more research on the other 2 routers that seem to have very good QoS as well. But your help is highly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted February 7, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thanks for your help Fraser! I'am still not sure if the R1 is the best devices for my usecase. I will have to do a bit more research on the other 2 routers that seem to have very good QoS as well. But your help is highly appreciated! No worries at all, do let us know if you have any more questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thanks for your help Fraser! I'am still not sure if the R1 is the best devices for my usecase. I will have to do a bit more research on the other 2 routers that seem to have very good QoS as well. But your help is highly appreciated! Just my opinion but the other routers don't compare for having lots of devices on a lower speed connection AND being able to game with a busy home network all with out lag ruining your gaming as none of the other routers you mentioned have hyper traffic which allows your critical low latency traffic (like gaming packets) can bypass all network queues which means they go to the front of the line not the end which is the norm.Throw device prioritization and CC in with that and it allows you to control your entire home network so everyone can do their own thing with out effecting the entire house. And with Duma OS 2.0 coming out soon, it's gonna be a sick piece of hardware ( already is) that any gamer will wish they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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