Clinton92 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Im wondering if any one can help me. i not to sure if i have everything setup correctly. i keep getting ping rises in cmd while i max out my connection. while i use the sliders to adjust it so i can get the least amount of fluctuation. but it seems to rise no matter what i do i ping -t 8.8.8.8 while running speedtest.net cc set to 70 up and down. and it rises to say 120ms to 40 ms so on and then drops back to normal? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted March 2, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted March 2, 2015 Hi Maybe you could try lowering the sliders even more? Also, what is your upload and download bandwidth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Hi Maybe you could try lowering the sliders even more? Also, what is your upload and download bandwidth? Hi Crossy My download is 8 and upload is 0.8 ive tried all different percentages but still no luck. i dont know what else to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Im wondering if any one can help me. i not to sure if i have everything setup correctly. i keep getting ping rises in cmd while i max out my connection. while i use the sliders to adjust it so i can get the least amount of fluctuation. but it seems to rise no matter what i do i ping -t 8.8.8.8 while running speedtest.net cc set to 70 up and down. and it rises to say 120ms to 40 ms so on and then drops back to normal? cheers hi could you run an internet diagnostics from the router and post the results please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 hey Adam I had Crossy have a look a my connection and he said he would update my thread. he said im loosing packets but ill let him explain as im no ntworking person. but here is my test from the duma. ng Jitter Spikes Packet Loss Good Exceptional Exceptional No Loss Show Details PingPING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=0 ttl=58 time=21.540 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=1 ttl=58 time=20.868 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=2 ttl=58 time=20.655 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=3 ttl=58 time=20.415 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=4 ttl=58 time=20.186 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=5 ttl=58 time=19.915 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=6 ttl=58 time=19.637 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=7 ttl=58 time=20.630 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=8 ttl=58 time=20.427 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=9 ttl=58 time=20.188 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=10 ttl=58 time=19.881 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=11 ttl=58 time=19.704 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=12 ttl=58 time=19.453 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=13 ttl=58 time=20.469 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=14 ttl=58 time=20.249 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=15 ttl=58 time=20.032 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=16 ttl=58 time=19.778 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=17 ttl=58 time=19.531 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=18 ttl=58 time=19.316 ms64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=19 ttl=58 time=20.348 ms--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---20 packets transmitted, 20 packets received, 0% packet lossround-trip min/avg/max = 19.316/20.161/21.540 ms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted March 2, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted March 2, 2015 I spoke to Clinton in chat and went over his connection and ran some tests. speediest.net shows 16ms ping, ping to 8.8.8.8 shows a 20ms ping. Trace route to google showed very few hops. This is because the line is on a fast path so there is no interleaving. Ping didn't seam to rise while the upload test was running (this is while download congestion control was set at 70%) and there was no packet loss when running the download test. On the other hand, the upload test caused packet loss and slight ping rises. Packet loss was about 40% (not exact). Ping rise was about 10ms, although it occasionally spiked with an additional 30ms (taking the ping to about 50ms). This didn't seam to change depending on what the upload cap was set to. So with it being on a fast path, I thought that there were errors and no interleaving to correct them. Unless my understanding is incorrect, errors only occur when the connection is maxed out. Even with the congestion control at 50%, the packet loss still occurred, but that connection can't have maxed out. If that is correct, then it might not be the fast path that is causing this as it the upload never hit max. I posted this data here because I'm sure for those of you who know about networking, it should be useful for determining the cause. I think the question OP wanted the answer to, was should he switch back to interleaving, or can he keep his low pings and get a fix for the packet loss while on the past path? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Fastpath can cause bad packet loss esp if you arent really close to the exchange of have a less than stella connection to start , personally I would always choose interleaving as line quality and less dropped packets is alsways better fro gaming than the slight decrease in ping you get from fast path 9 which only affects the ping on the last mile network so you're never talking a huge saving there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Just a quick update on my progress I gave my isp a call today but they say its normal ?, but im no expert but it doesn't sound right when packets are lost. Also they switched me back to standard. Also done some more testing on cmd with 8.8.8.8. while doing a speed test i still get packet loss. also with the cc set to 100% get about 1% to no packet loss ts a soon as i start to adjust the sliders i get the 6 % packet loss. but also in saying that with the cc set to 100% i get huge ping spikes in cmd while doing speed test. If there are any network gurus in here. Please feel free to chime in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Is this happening while testing both preemtive then reactive ? For me reactive stops any spikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Is this happening while testing both preemtive then reactive ? For me reactive stops any spikes. Hey Zennon Doesn't matter what I do still happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Have you ticked share excess , reset distribution and update distribution and re tested? If this does not help, it is only happening on the upstream , it would be very rare somebody would be on your network maxing the up stream anyway, in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hi Clinton, I've tried to catch up on the entire thread. From what I understand this is the scenario: When you do a download test with cc on you get minimal increase in ping and no packet loss. So that means it workings on the download direction When you do an upload test with cc on you get a little incresae in ping but higher packet loss? That is slightly odd, but just for your information that is how QoS works it drops packets to limit them. In fact thats what differentiates our premptive alogirhtm(novel to us) from others is we don't drop packets. I think the high packet loss is probably due to the huge difference in speeds, you're going from 1000mbits LAN to 0.8 mbits. So it can end up with huge queues and large amount of drops. I recommend resseting distrubition and doing the test again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hi Clinton, I've tried to catch up on the entire thread. From what I understand this is the scenario: When you do a download test with cc on you get minimal increase in ping and no packet loss. So that means it workings on the download direction When you do an upload test with cc on you get a little incresae in ping but higher packet loss? That is slightly odd, but just for your information that is how QoS works it drops packets to limit them. In fact thats what differentiates our premptive alogirhtm(novel to us) from others is we don't drop packets. I think the high packet loss is probably due to the huge difference in speeds, you're going from 1000mbits LAN to 0.8 mbits. So it can end up with huge queues and large amount of drops. I recommend resseting distrubition and doing the test again. Hey Lain Ive done all that. If you can do you mind having a look at it for me. Your my last hope on trying to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hi Clinton, I don't mind running an experiment for you. But what I'm saying is I think its working you're just reading too much into the metrics. That is generally how the Internet works. The only thing thats a bit odd is having high packet loss when throttling on the upload. I see your in Australia its going to be hard to schedule a time togther. Are you ever available between 7:00 and 9:00 AM in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hi Clinton, I don't mind running an experiment for you. But what I'm saying is I think its working you're just reading too much into the metrics. That is generally how the Internet works. The only thing thats a bit odd is having high packet loss when throttling on the upload. I see your in Australia its going to be hard to schedule a time togther. Are you ever available between 7:00 and 9:00 AM in Australia? Hey lain im available right now ? Its 10pm here so in the mornings im at work Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Sorry for delayed response. I can't make it today or tomorrow I'm afriad as I have meetings. However I can make it evening time on Thursday if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Sorry for delayed response. I can't make it today or tomorrow I'm afriad as I have meetings. However I can make it evening time on Thursday if you like. No problem lain fully understand anytime after 6pm aus time im free. Chers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Hey Lain sorry to bother you. But im just wondering are you available now ? Just thought id give you a quick reminder in case you forgot as you have been busy. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Sure I'm available very briefly can you jump in chat please. Its in the top right of the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton92 Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 Sure I'm available very briefly can you jump in chat please. Its in the top right of the forum Hey lain Can I talk to in chat for a minute Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Ok Clinton but I'm quite busy at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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