fuzzy clam Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 ...as far as ISP's go if you guys had the choice of charter 65/5 with node overload,which they won't fix. Or go with AT&T that has 12/2 but they say it's a dedicated line,cat 5 run from the pole to my house. Charter is faster but it's a shared hub and AT&T say's the line will be all mine,I don't know how true that is as I've never dealt with them. So boys anyone have AT&T and how are they ? The reason I'm thinking about switching is they will have fiber to my area by the end of summer 100,200 and gigabyte speed.And will be getting the fiber when it's available but not if they are a shitty company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathoftank Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 ...as far as ISP's go if you guys had the choice of charter 65/5 with node overload,which they won't fix. Or go with AT&T that has 12/2 but they say it's a dedicated line,cat 5 run from the pole to my house. Charter is faster but it's a shared hub and AT&T say's the line will be all mine,I don't know how true that is as I've never dealt with them. So boys anyone have AT&T and how are they ? The reason I'm thinking about switching is they will have fiber to my area by the end of summer 100,200 and gigabyte speed.And will be getting the fiber when it's available but not if they are a shitty company. I've had experience with both companies, and imo at&t uverse is the worst isp I've ever had... First I would say that although they say interleaved only adds 10-20 ms to your ping, it felt way way worse for me. Also uverse isn't rated very well with netflix or youtube, so for me at least there was major streaming issues. I don't have an overloaded node so I can't speak to which is worse, but I hate at&t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 If the slower BB was stable and had no jitter I would go with that but I do not know the line quality. If you knew the line was stable but slower I would have stability over bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjl118 Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 maybe some AT&T customers can run pingplotter for you and post their results here (if there are any that read this topic). but a DSL line, in my experience, has been the better choice because it is more stable of a connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Thanks for the input boys.I just got of the phone with JD,since he use to work in that business and he's my boy I thought I'd ask him. As usual he gave me a shit load of good ideas and things to think about.So I'm gonna have a direct sales guy come to my house and do a demo,where they will actually run the line right to my door and inside my house and then I can test it with ping plotter and check the speeds of the wireless up and downstairs. Seems like a pretty good way to go about it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathoftank Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Thanks for the input boys.I just got of the phone with JD,since he use to work in that business and he's my boy I thought I'd ask him. As usual he gave me a shit load of good ideas and things to think about.So I'm gonna have a direct sales guy come to my house and do a demo,where they will actually run the line right to my door and inside my house and then I can test it with ping plotter and check the speeds of the wireless up and downstairs. Seems like a pretty good way to go about it to me. lol good ole jd, I never even knew such a thing was possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Just got off the phone with Fuzzy, talking about this issue, but I wanted to add a couple of things here for those that might wander through in the future. Fuzzy is on island surrounded by Fiber, with not a drop of light to spare. AT&T has a fiber to the curb (possibly to the house) all around him, but they haven't extended yet and don't have a definitive date for him. There are a few construction, cost and legal reasons this occurs, but I don't think anyone really cares enough to go into them here. Basically we talked about some of the stuff Zennon mentioned. I don't know the quality of the line in question. 12/2 could run like a dream, and then again.... He does have friends that have the fiber service down the road, so I suggested a house visit with his own gear to run a couple of tests. That will help trigger a couple of things that I shared with him about how companies work these small expansions. Something else I suggested is to get in contact with AT&T and have them send one of their "Direct sales" units out with a demo kit. Direct sales are the guys who go door-to-door in new neighborhoods, when service is first turned on, to get you signed up today. One tool they have is a "demo kit" for overbuild areas. "Here Mr. homeowner (or 'Large Wookie-Like Creature' in Fuzzy Clam's case ), I have run this line from out by the street, where our stuff is, and I have my laptop here plugged into our service. As you have your laptop/desktop/internet viewer handy, why don't we hit a few of the websites from this list here together and see who's is faster". Of course the website list are all sites they use all the time, so they are cached and if you don't know the difference it "looks" really fast.... This would be free, but would come with some pressure to switch. Fuzzy doesn't seem the type to be easily pressured into much, so I figured the risk assessment was minimal on that concern....LOL What Fuzzy can do is test it before he buys, which will help with the quality and speed questions. Fuzzy also has a large house and wifi is a concern. I have no idea of the transmission speeds through the new AT&TUverse wireless stuff, but as he gets his full speed now through his wireless, I'm concerned Mrs Fuzzy will be looking for his head when Netflix isn't streaming seamlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathoftank Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 One tool they have is a "demo kit" for overbuild areas. "Here Mr. homeowner (or 'Large Wookie-Like Creature' in Fuzzy Clam's case ), I have run this line from out by the street, where our stuff is, and I have my laptop here plugged into our service. As you have your laptop/desktop/internet viewer handy, why don't we hit a few of the websites from this list here together and see who's is faster". it took me a while to stop laughing and read past this! Let us know how it goes fuzzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 lol good ole jd, I never even knew such a thing was possible! Yeah me either but as JD posted above it gives me they ability to check it out first and anything you can drive before you buy is good with me. And yeah JD is great,called me immediately and explained all the pros and cons and what to look for. Thanks again JD...another great example of people on this forum going above and beyond for other members And yeah JD's got a great sense of humor,we always have a good time on the mic when were gaming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Great stuff, I hope it works out for you, an overloaded node must be nasty to game with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy clam Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Not at all Z,sometimes I'll go on a terror (JD can back me up on this) where I kill 1or 2 people in a row... Yeah it's a huge pain in the ass,jitter wise.I just don't have a stable connection which as you pointed out is rough for gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zennon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 What a difference a stable line will be for you, fingers crossed it works out. Run some ping plotter & duma tests, will you be able to test at peak times or is it just when the sales man is round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillinger Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 What a difference a stable line will be for you, fingers crossed it works out. Run some ping plotter & duma tests, will you be able to test at peak times or is it just when the sales man is round? No worries brother, I got your back! When I worked in the field, I had the authority to okay an overnight test, but it came with a safety release form and some hassle, so I doubt it in this day and age unless they are hurting for subscriber sales. The temp cable is run on top of the ground and not really secured. It's a huge tripping risk and I have personally had to respond to dozens of "incident investigation" site visits where a ground laid cable was left, no one got a signature of released liability and someone saw a chance to make a few bucks with a trip and fall. What you might do Fuzzy is explain like we talked about, how you are concerned with the line quality over time. They can install a 24-hour reader at the location and lock it down, let it run for a bit and provide you the results. That would be a high end "area" or "maintenance" tech though (the guys who get all the problem and headache trouble calls), the direct sales guy wouldn't have the ability or the authority (I would suspect) unless things have really changed since I was driving a route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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