Wifi range and performance

[l2eactionz]

18 minutes ago, Newfie said:

What is the latency of that connection from client to wan ? Remember it’s only showing 1 way, there is no method on speed checks to check the communication standard protocols. Speedtests are basically pointless when you want to check how accurate the standards are followed

I still don't get what you ate saying. I'm just asking how they reached those speeds as it doesn't seem achievable..... I can use another router wifi6 using 5ghz band same channel router in same place my device in same place and still not get the speeds the eero wifi6 gives that's what I'm trying to explain.

[Newfie]

7 minutes ago, l2eactionz said:

I still don't get what you ate saying. I'm just asking how they reached those speeds as it doesn't seem achievable..... I can use another router wifi6 using 5ghz band same channel router in same place my device in same place and still not get the speeds the eero wifi6 gives that's what I'm trying to explain.

I know what you are saying but I don’t get why you require that info. How important is a speedtest to you for example and what do you hope to achieve.

We don’t know what subsets are running with the Duma router, for example OFDMA up and down, BSS Coloring, TwT, PMF. Eero will have these subsets. 

[Zac]

I can’t speak for everybodies unit but I know there is definite wifi issues.

in another post I did extensive testing with my R3 compared to my XR1000.

being 1 meter away from both routers (turned on off to test independently) my XR 1000 can occasionally reach 900 mbps. My R3 on average hits about 350-650.

I can’t give an accurate result for the R3 because when I’m 1 meter away from the unit my wifi strength is RSSI of -70 where my xr1000 is -30.

additionally my R3 loses signal if I’m more then 5 meters away from the unit. I have better signal to my XR1000 when it’s 25 meters away.

Perhaps I got a faulty unit but I have put my poor wifi results down to poor signal strength. The range of my XR1000 is about 5x of the R3.

I’m away for Christmas but you should check the strength of your signal to your R3 and see if it’s similar to mine? I would be curious to know if my unit is faulty. It’s almost like the antennas do absolutely nothing or aren’t making proper contact perhaps a manufacturing fault  

 

 

 

[Fuzy]

Concretely, I carried out the test on 2 different PCs in the same places (5 meters from the R3, in another room)

Result with QoS enabled:

Don't just rely on the speed test for your conclusions (it's always subject to interpretation...)

You can also test by uploading an FTP file. (at the moment local file transfers are not accessible. But I was able to transfer files at +120 MB/s using the R3's wifi6 between my 2 PCs)

 

[Zac]

26 minutes ago, Fuzy said:

Concretely, I carried out the test on 2 different PCs in the same places (5 meters from the R3, in another room)

Result with QoS enabled:

Don't just rely on the speed test for your conclusions (it's always subject to interpretation...)

You can also test by uploading an FTP file. (at the moment local file transfers are not accessible. But I was able to transfer files at +120 MB/s using the R3's wifi6 between my 2 PCs)

 

Yeah I think my unit must be faulty. 

I definitely agree with you that Speedtest is overall a poor performance tool in general but it is a good tool for recognising issues. 10m away from my R3 and I have red signal aka poor quality. Most I can get is 150mbps if im lucky sometimes only 20. Where as my Xr1000 I am able to get 750+ reliably in the same spot. 

I ran 10 back to back tests for my averages on Speedtest and my xr1000 was within a couple % difference. all above 800 mbps when 1 meter away from it. Where as the most I can get on my R3 is 600 on a good run but it jumps between 350-600. 

If I set both my R3 and my xr1000 up via ethernet and place the xr1000 downstairs and several walls away approximately 20m it has a stronger signal then my R3 1 meter away. So I think for me at least I just have a hardware fault. 

But regarding Speedtest I have really consistent results on my xr1000.

By the way I don't see classic wow for SOD on your Bnet? what's going on Fuzy?

[l2eactionz]

1 hour ago, Zac said:

I can’t speak for everybodies unit but I know there is definite wifi issues.

in another post I did extensive testing with my R3 compared to my XR1000.

being 1 meter away from both routers (turned on off to test independently) my XR 1000 can occasionally reach 900 mbps. My R3 on average hits about 350-650.

I can’t give an accurate result for the R3 because when I’m 1 meter away from the unit my wifi strength is RSSI of -70 where my xr1000 is -30.

additionally my R3 loses signal if I’m more then 5 meters away from the unit. I have better signal to my XR1000 when it’s 25 meters away.

Perhaps I got a faulty unit but I have put my poor wifi results down to poor signal strength. The range of my XR1000 is about 5x of the R3.

I’m away for Christmas but you should check the strength of your signal to your R3 and see if it’s similar to mine? I would be curious to know if my unit is faulty. It’s almost like the antennas do absolutely nothing or aren’t making proper contact perhaps a manufacturing fault  

 

 

 

I've also seen alot of people stating the 350 to 650 mark. Also state there old routers perform better. My wifi range is fine. And as mentioned they achieved speeds around the 900mark so I'd like to know how. As would probably everyone else on 1gb speeds as although stability is more important and I'm never going to utilise 900mb over WiFi for any considerable reason it's still something you have paid for and was quoted in testing. Regardless of if it can achieve it the software for geo filter will mean I keep this router regardless and maybe in the future steady ping has a place for me

[l2eactionz]

3 hours ago, Newfie said:

I know what you are saying but I don’t get why you require that info. How important is a speedtest to you for example and what do you hope to achieve.

We don’t know what subsets are running with the Duma router, for example OFDMA up and down, BSS Coloring, TwT, PMF. Eero will have these subsets. 

Literally for no other reason than before buying it was told it can achieve those speeds and clearly as many posts are showing it just isn't. That's all

[Zac]

22 minutes ago, l2eactionz said:

I've also seen alot of people stating the 350 to 650 mark. Also state there old routers perform better. My wifi range is fine. And as mentioned they achieved speeds around the 900mark so I'd like to know how. As would probably everyone else on 1gb speeds as although stability is more important and I'm never going to utilise 900mb over WiFi for any considerable reason it's still something you have paid for and was quoted in testing. Regardless of if it can achieve it the software for geo filter will mean I keep this router regardless and maybe in the future steady ping has a place for me

Well you might not need 900 MB true but at range speed decreases anyway and my house is bigger so speed scaling matters so I agree with you it is important to get to the bottom of this issue.

For example lets say in one room max speed I can get is 20% of my connection due to distance. 

If I had a regular 100mbps and I was getting only 20mbps that would struggle to play some video content in my guest room. However if I have a 1000 mbps and I'm getting 20% that's obviously 200 mbps which would still stream to my 4k tv beautifully. 

So I am with L2eactions. If they were able to achieve 900mbps even in a controlled test environment it would be good to know how/ what settings were used as that would indicate a performance ceiling we should all be striving to achieve. Plus being a new release it's important to work out any bugs/ hardware faults. 

Unfortunately for me I think as I said my unit is perhaps faulty.

[Fuzy]

And apart from flow tests... You tried something else as suggested upstream to see if there is really a problem...

It's just a question 😉

 

 

[Newfie]

1 hour ago, Zac said:

Well you might not need 900 MB true but at range speed decreases anyway and my house is bigger so speed scaling matters so I agree with you it is important to get to the bottom of this issue.

For example lets say in one room max speed I can get is 20% of my connection due to distance. 

If I had a regular 100mbps and I was getting only 20mbps that would struggle to play some video content in my guest room. However if I have a 1000 mbps and I'm getting 20% that's obviously 200 mbps which would still stream to my 4k tv beautifully. 

So I am with L2eactions. If they were able to achieve 900mbps even in a controlled test environment it would be good to know how/ what settings were used as that would indicate a performance ceiling we should all be striving to achieve. Plus being a new release it's important to work out any bugs/ hardware faults. 

Unfortunately for me I think as I said my unit is perhaps faulty.

At range forget about speed it’s the retransmission that is your enemy. You should always try to keep a client under 70dbi as that’s the limit.

many clients would still show a good connection at that rate but would be having errors with network collisions, the error of receipt and creating a higher latency across all WiFi clients. 

[Zac]

18 minutes ago, Newfie said:

At range forget about speed it’s the retransmission that is your enemy. You should always try to keep a client under 70dbi as that’s the limit.

many clients would still show a good connection at that rate but would be having errors with network collisions, the error of receipt and creating a higher latency across all WiFi clients. 

Well that's my problem. I can't get the R3 under -70 DBI even in the same room as it. But 20 meters away my xr1000 is -55. 

Is why I think my router is faulty out of the gate. 

[Newfie]

5 minutes ago, Zac said:

Well that's my problem. I can't get the R3 under -70 DBI even in the same room as it. But 20 meters away my xr1000 is -55. 

Is why I think my router is faulty out of the gate. 

Is that the client telling you this or the routers software?

20 mtrs is 65.6ft so 55dbi is pretty much impossible to achieve. Is this 2.4 or 5Ghz?

[Kingzzy]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:56 AM, Newfie said:

Most clients are 2x2 so you will struggle to get 900 over WiFi at a stable rate. An iperf test would be more accurate to show you the average you get because in reality traffic to and from client can go up and down. A speed test might show 800 but an iperf test might show you hit 800 as the highest point, 612 as the lowest and an average over a set time period of 690. In reality though these tests will change every time. 
 

clients vary too as does background interference. Hitting a gig on a 2x2 client at 80Mhz is never going to happen in a month of Sundays.

what you want is a stable connection with no errors or retransmissions. Speed is not a way to test WiFi. You could get 800 with 80Mhz and 400 on a 40Mhz and the 40Mhz could end up more stable as there is less interference, slightly better coverage. Remember errors in connectivity slow down the network so you want a stable connection. 
the higher the Hz in 5Ghz the more interference as you are using more channels. This also affects coverage. 
you don’t want the router to ask to repeat the connection as other clients have to wait in turn. This increases latency within the network.  Too close or too far away, too much transmit power all cause issues, WiFi has limitations, WiFi 6 was a small step to help but limitations will always be there. 
 

the secret is to make sure you have adequate coverage and that your clients are always within a good coverage zone. Yes clients determine connections and yes you can adjust connectivity with some APs but in general you want to map out your property and try to keep coverage equal in the hope you don’t suffer errors to keep the WiFi working at optimal. Remember a clients tends to not have the same connectivity range of a router so while the client sees the router it may well struggle to communicate back at range without errors. 

Speed tests are never going to show how great your connectivity is, it’s not a good way of testing in the long run. It’s just part of the picture. Try not to get hung up on these speed tests. Think about how stable you want your WiFi network, the clients and coverage. 

Everything is said here by #Newfie

wifi depends on a lot of things 2X2, 4X4, mu-mimo, su-mimo, OFDMA etc.....
For example a 5ghz wifi in 4x4 =2.4 ghz if the wifi of your PC is in 2X2 as is often the case it will then be necessary to divide 2.4ghz by 2 either 1.2 ghz and so on... Everything depends on the client wifi specification. I'm not even talking to you about the RSSI, the channel, the noise and the phy mode.....

the expression the customer is king is better suited here

[l2eactionz]

On 12/23/2023 at 4:13 PM, Kingzzy said:

Everything is said here by #Newfie

wifi depends on a lot of things 2X2, 4X4, mu-mimo, su-mimo, OFDMA etc.....
For example a 5ghz wifi in 4x4 =2.4 ghz if the wifi of your PC is in 2X2 as is often the case it will then be necessary to divide 2.4ghz by 2 either 1.2 ghz and so on... Everything depends on the client wifi specification. I'm not even talking to you about the RSSI, the channel, the noise and the phy mode.....

the expression the customer is king is better suited here

I think this isnt about customer king. This is more customer asked before purchase and was stated an unrealistically achievable speed no???

As you have stated and newfie the hardware of the 2x2 isn't going to cope or achieve 900mb and I'm simply asking how it was in testing.

Regardless of a stable line as I completely understand that speed and signal strength degrade over distance. AND I don't even care about the speed as I game wired so I don't want anything in the house maxing out my line.

But as stated using other routers with the same 2.4 or 5ghz and the same channel set up in the same location on my desk with me sitting in the same place I can achieve better more stable and less fluctuating speeds than the r3 THIS WHAT IM STATING is the factual part and the only part I'm trying to explain and ask fraser or anyone else that deals with this how the 900mb plus was achieved?