Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 10, 2015 Netduma Staff Share Posted January 10, 2015 I have just seen on BT that I can upgrade my plan to a 300mbps download plan. I am aware though, that the R1 probably can not cope with those speeds. I was just wondering if in the future it will be able to or if it has hardware restrictions that may stop it. I know that it may never be possible for Wifi but maybe for the LAN connection? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I have just seen on BT that I can upgrade my plan to a 300mbps download plan. I am aware though, that the R1 probably can not cope with those speeds. I was just wondering if in the future it will be able to or if it has hardware restrictions that may stop it. I know that it may never be possible for Wifi but maybe for the LAN connection? Thanks The speed is currently limited by the method of packet processing and the speed by which it can handle the processing. Stock Firmwares utilize a hardware NAT (which does the packet handling), this allows for 600Mb/s or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah what abc said crossy we'd need to develop a hardware NAT driver. This will require weeks of dev time and its not a priority at the moment I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 10, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 10, 2015 Yeah what abc said crossy we'd need to develop a hardware NAT driver. This will require weeks of dev time and its not a priority at the moment I'm afraid. Ok, thanks abc and Iain. What is the current max speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Ok, thanks abc and Iain. What is the current max speed? Theoretically i've been told 160Mb/s, max i've seen is 120Mb/s but not everyone posts their speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 10, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 10, 2015 Oh right, ok. So I might have to use my old router for a bit and just use the R1 for my PS4 untill this driver thing is developed. Iain, you said it is not a prioroty atm which i totally understatnd, and ik that you don't like giving eta's but is there a time frame in which we can expect this to be developed. Not looking for anything exact, but will it be in the weeks months or within this year sort of thing? Thanks (if you can't give an eta at all np but I just would like to know so I can plan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 We're talking months here at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Oh right, ok. So I might have to use my old router for a bit and just use the R1 for my PS4 untill this driver thing is developed. Iain, you said it is not a prioroty atm which i totally understatnd, and ik that you don't like giving eta's but is there a time frame in which we can expect this to be developed. Not looking for anything exact, but will it be in the weeks months or within this year sort of thing? Thanks (if you can't give an eta at all np but I just would like to know so I can plan). this is likely 4 weeks worth of development if everything goes well, with testing. On their priority list it is near the bottom, so if I were to give you an ETA around 2016. In the meantime just use another router as your main gateway and then only use the R1 for gaming devices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 10, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 10, 2015 Ok guys, thanks for your replies I look forwards to the update when it comes. abc, I hope it isn't 2016, lol, but if it is then it is :/ Looking forwards to it when ever it is available. When they do install it though I will have to use the ISP router as my primary router and then use the R1 for my PS4 as abc suggested. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Cheers Crossy... In reality until someone invents a killer app you won't be using more than 10% I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 11, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 11, 2015 Cheers Crossy... In reality until someone invents a killer app you won't be using more than 10% I reckon Yeah, ik. lol. But omg, this will be a step up from my 5mbps connection to the moment. I been waiting since June 2013 when BT said they would upgrade us and it sorta never happened. When I checked my landline on the website I almost had a heart attack when I realised the time had finally come.... But yeah, look forward to when ever your going to get this driver thing developed. Keep me posted when it comes round to developing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sure mate, I'm not trying to sell you on a slower router I'm just saying something I've thought for a while. Bandwidth keeps growing but there isn't anything thats using it for the consumer anyway. Video was the last frontier lol, but you're everday connection can handle HD no problem now. So someone needs to come up with a genius program to use all that bandwidth. Its there so lets use it. Problem is I can't think of anything. The person who does will go very far I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sure mate, I'm not trying to sell you on a slower router I'm just saying something I've thought for a while. Bandwidth keeps growing but there isn't anything thats using it for the consumer anyway. Video was the last frontier lol, but you're everday connection can handle HD no problem now. So someone needs to come up with a genius program to use all that bandwidth. Its there so lets use it. Problem is I can't think of anything. The person who does will go very far I reckon it's called downloading, hosting, etc...I have 50/5 and use all of it 4 times a day for over 5 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 11, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sure mate, I'm not trying to sell you on a slower router I'm just saying something I've thought for a while. Bandwidth keeps growing but there isn't anything thats using it for the consumer anyway. Video was the last frontier lol, but you're everday connection can handle HD no problem now. So someone needs to come up with a genius program to use all that bandwidth. Its there so lets use it. Problem is I can't think of anything. The person who does will go very far I reckon Yeah, i got ya! It just the sorta thing where when you got it you want to be able to use it. tbh, I only care about having a bigger upload, 0.3 is just a bit of a downer sometimes. Also, with 4 people, 6mbps down doesn't have a lot of space for multitasking, lol. Anyway yeah, can't wait for the BT people to plug me into this super fast internet stuff! I will use a workaround for now and then when the driver gets developed I can go back to normal and have the R1 as my primary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I don't abc, I reckon there is something more novel round the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 11, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 11, 2015 I don't abc, I reckon there is something more novel round the corner. Ohhh, Iain, your on 999 posts, this moment will never happen again!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Ohhh, Iain, your on 999 posts, this moment will never happen again!!! 4 digits here he comes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urge Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Even if you could get better speeds, do they help with online gaming at all? I already have really good upload, download speeds and have thought about increasing speed again, but have heard both ways - that faster is better for gaming, and then that the games can only handle so much, so speed isn't that important. Any answer from my technical friends here is appreciated. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Netduma_Iain Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Its a complete myth. Look at the "Network Monitor" when you play it will show you how little the game uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Even if you could get better speeds, do they help with online gaming at all? I already have really good upload, download speeds and have thought about increasing speed again, but have heard both ways - that faster is better for gaming, and then that the games can only handle so much, so speed isn't that important. Any answer from my technical friends here is appreciated. Thank you. gaming doesn't require alot of network speed, it is mainly more beneficial to have a connection with low ping and low jitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 it's called downloading, hosting, etc...I have 50/5 and use all of it 4 times a day for over 5 hours most people don't host sites on their residential connections . the issue with isps is they sell and market what they wrongly call "fast" internet connections for a much higher price to households that if they really looked at their internet use wouldn't use half of what they are paying for. take what a typical household does for example basically web browsing doesn't use that much bandwidth and at most it is a burst on anything higher than a 1mb down its not even really noticeable maybe streaming 1 or 2 things at the same time ( netflix iplayer ect) hd netflix you're looking at around 6-7mb/s and gaming even if your hosting you will hardly ever exceed .5mb/s The only time you really utilize ( again stressing in a typical household) anything really above 30 down is if you were downloading from say a torrent or direct download from a source that wasn't capped with bandwidth. Yes its great to download things a few minutes faster but honestly for most people when they stop and think about how they use the net they will see isps way ver charge for higher rate packages in some places. Especially when the advertised "speed" ( bw ) hardly ever actually happens in the real world environments or connection ratios, shared pipes and peak time traffic management systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abc123 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 most people don't host sites on their residential connections . the issue with isps is they sell and market what they wrongly call "fast" internet connections for a much higher price to households that if they really looked at their internet use wouldn't use half of what they are paying for. take what a typical household does for example basically web browsing doesn't use that much bandwidth and at most it is a burst on anything higher than a 1mb down its not even really noticeable maybe streaming 1 or 2 things at the same time ( netflix iplayer ect) hd netflix you're looking at around 6-7mb/s and gaming even if your hosting you will hardly ever exceed .5mb/s The only time you really utilize ( again stressing in a typical household) anything really above 30 down is if you were downloading from say a torrent or direct download from a source that wasn't capped with bandwidth. Yes its great to download things a few minutes faster but honestly for most people when they stop and think about how they use the net they will see isps way ver charge for higher rate packages in some places. Especially when the advertised "speed" ( bw ) hardly ever actually happens in the real world environments or connection ratios, shared pipes and peak time traffic management systems completely agree, I use: Wife: Streaming videos, uploading to dropbox/S3, editting websites on the fly hosted on EC2 Me: VPN into work, Video Uploading, Streaming, Gaming, Watching videos online, FTP to EC2, SSH into 100s of servers, running chef, github upload and download. Normally our usage floats around 35Mb/s Down But note...WE ARE NOT A STANDARD HOUSEHOLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt-Greco Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Two questions guys: - My telephone company offers two different paths (channel types) on vDSL (fiber) that I use: Interleave and Fast Path. I don't know if you guys are familiar with these terms but the former is slightly faster, with less noise, suitable for downloads, torrents, video streaming etc., and the latter slower but the best choice when online gaming matters, due to the lower ping it provides. (btw switching between these two, cannot be done from my end, but I have to call customer service). My question is obvious. Which one is recommended with R1? - I'm not a Network expert but I can understand that a LAN is as fast as the weakest link . I mean if I use a 10/100 hub to connect both my consoles wouldn't this bottleneck my entire Gigabit LAN ? TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Crossy Posted January 16, 2015 Author Netduma Staff Share Posted January 16, 2015 Two questions guys: - My telephone company offers two different paths (channel types) on vDSL (fiber) that I use: Interleave and Fast Path. I don't know if you guys are familiar with these terms but the former is slightly faster, with less noise, suitable for downloads, torrents, video streaming etc., and the latter slower but the best choice when online gaming matters, due to the lower ping it provides. (btw switching between these two, cannot be done from my end, but I have to call customer service). My question is obvious. Which one is recommended with R1? - I'm not a Network expert but I can understand that a LAN is as fast as the weakest link . I mean if I use a 10/100 hub to connect both my consoles wouldn't this bottleneck my entire Gigabit LAN ? TIA I would say that it depends on what you want to do. Like you said above, one is faster and one has a lower ping. i would say that if lower speed isn't too significant, then to go with the lower ping, but then again, if the lower ping is only 1 or 2 ms then go with higher speeds. So basically in my opinion it depends what you so more, downloading or gaming and how much difference is there in the speeds and pings. I am assuming that both types of connection are compatible with the R1 although I am no expert so can't confirm. I couldn't see a reason why it wouldn't be. Again, no network expert but my understanding is that if the hub was plugged into the R1 then only the devices plugged into the hub (in your case your consoles) would receive slower connection speeds. I am assuming that you mean an extra hub to increase the number of Ethernet ports so that you have room to plug your consoles into? Hope this helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buds Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Two questions guys: - My telephone company offers two different paths (channel types) on vDSL (fiber) that I use: Interleave and Fast Path. I don't know if you guys are familiar with these terms but the former is slightly faster, with less noise, suitable for downloads, torrents, video streaming etc., and the latter slower but the best choice when online gaming matters, due to the lower ping it provides. (btw switching between these two, cannot be done from my end, but I have to call customer service). My question is obvious. Which one is recommended with R1? - I'm not a Network expert but I can understand that a LAN is as fast as the weakest link . I mean if I use a 10/100 hub to connect both my consoles wouldn't this bottleneck my entire Gigabit LAN ? TIA Interleaving is slightly more complicated than just on or off. There are different depths of interleaving depending on line stability requirements. The deeper the depth of interleaving the more latency it will add to your connection. Personally for me, I would always be on fast path if I had the choice. But I am a gamer since day dot and I have always fought latency since owning my first 28.8k modem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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