New DLC Eclipse - What do you think?

[DARK BAWGS]

Well I downloaded this morning and spent sometime walking the maps and I am disappointed.  Two of them are just re-skinned versions of Skyjacked with some Nuktown thrown in.  Verge has some good points and lots of places for campers - I predict this map will be a campers paradise.  Knockout looks like it will play well but as with them all not a really big map.   As for me I could have done without spending the money on the DLC packs as I don't think the developers have invested much of their resources to give us a new and innovative product.

 

Here is a synopsis, if you haven't already seen it.

• Spire: Spire takes Multiplayer combat to a futuristic sub-orbital airport terminal set high in the clouds. Multiple levels and open areas promote intense, mid-range combat around a clean, high-tech civilian environment. Watch your step, because one wrong move could send you plummeting back through the stratosphere.
• Rift: Head to the core of a harsh futuristic military complex, set high above an active caldera. Rift funnels and forces tight, intense engagements, where the only way through is forward. Utilize the unique core movement opportunities to outsmart and outplay enemies as you traverse the suspended rail system.
• Knockout: Housed in a traditional Shaolin Temple with a retro twist, Knockout sets the stage for a bloody Kung Fu tournament. This mid-sized map showcases a sharp contrast between the mid-range engagements of the traditional exterior architecture and the tight close-quarters of an eclectic 1970’s styled interior.
• Verge: In this re-imagination of the classic Call of Duty: World at War map, Banzai, Verge drops Multiplayer combat into the center of a distant post-apocalyptic future, where two warring factions are entrenched in constant battle. Take control of the key bridge, fortresses, tunnel systems and waterfalls as you engage in high-speed action through this medium-sized map.

[UK_Wildcats_Fans]

I saw some early walk through videos from youtubers yesterday.  They did look small.

[Urge]

Can't judge me till i play them (a month from now); but wasn't super impressed by the youtube video's.  That could change after playing them though.  From what i see, it seems that their not really trying to make CoD style maps, but more so to promote their new movement systems.   Never have like treyarchs maps as much as Infinity Wards though.

[Sgt-Greco]

The fact that I can't touch a game other than FPSs, make this DLC a potential purchase.

[DARK BAWGS]

I played them all for several hours today and my opinion hasn't changed.  Lots of camping but they are a change; not as bad as Sky or Nuke.  Interesting those maps came up in rotation most of the time and when they didn't every one voted for random, if the new map didn't come many just left! Go figure.

[DumaFan]

I actually like these maps but, you're right, there are a ton of spots to camp. In my opinion way better than the last set, now if they would just fix the inconsistency of the games. One can only hope.

[Urge]

Good to hear that ya'll are liking them.  I didn't mind the last pack; or even nuketown.  It's just hard to judge off a video... but good to see that there aren't many real complaints.  (i don't really look at that as a complaint, as people are gonna camp no matter what the map is).   Look forward to getting to try them out a month from now and hope ya'll continue to enjoy them.

[Torkild]

DONT BUY THIS!

 

My biggest problem with this DLC is the way you as a player are FORCED to play only with others players that have the same DLC. 
That means a player with DLC 1 will only get matches with other players that also have DLC1, a player with DLC2 and not DLC 1 will only be match with other that has DLC2 but not DLC1

Meaning we will have a even smaller player base and that again means poorly connection's and in-game lag.. 

You CAN'T disable DLC or deletd it, and that's pisses me off! I bought the damned thing and should be in titled to do what ever i wan't with it!
There are a lot more player's how don't buy the DLC so if you wan't the best out of the game, you need to be put in looby's where most of the player's arent to far away from each other.
 

[Urge]

DONT BUY THIS!

 

My biggest problem with this DLC is the way you as a player are FORCED to play only with others players that have the same DLC. 

That means a player with DLC 1 will only get matches with other players that also have DLC1, a player with DLC2 and not DLC 1 will only be match with other that has DLC2 but not DLC1

Meaning we will have a even smaller player base and that again means poorly connection's and in-game lag.. 

 

You CAN'T disable DLC or deletd it, and that's pisses me off! I bought the damned thing and should be in titled to do what ever i wan't with it!

There are a lot more player's how don't buy the DLC so if you wan't the best out of the game, you need to be put in looby's where most of the player's arent to far away from each other.

 

 

Sorry it plays that badly for you.  I've said many times that i prefer variety in maps over a slightly better connection; so it's really down to personal choice.  For me DLC makes absolutely no difference quality wise.  I even play with some friends occasionally across the ocean and have no problem quality wise there either.  Not saying it doesn't play like crap sometimes, but if it does.. it's just the servers having a nice hiccup or someone with really crappy internet bogging down the room, not the dlc's fault.  It's way too early to be complaining about a small player pool as well.  I could see that maybe being an issue by the time the 4th dlc hits but not yet.  Even in Advanced Warfare which did have a smaller amount of players the dlc didn't make a difference.

 

The only thing that might impact, and i believe Zennon said this in the past.. is that the dedicated tryhards might have more of the maps than the casuals who are lesser skilled.  In that case not having maps would seem better.. not because of quality of connection but noobness of the enemy player.

[Torkild]

Sorry it plays that badly for you.  I've said many times that i prefer variety in maps over a slightly better connection; so it's really down to personal choice.  For me DLC makes absolutely no difference quality wise.  I even play with some friends occasionally across the ocean and have no problem quality wise there either.  Not saying it doesn't play like crap sometimes, but if it does.. it's just the servers having a nice hiccup or someone with really crappy internet bogging down the room, not the dlc's fault.  It's way too early to be complaining about a small player pool as well.  I could see that maybe being an issue by the time the 4th dlc hits but not yet.  Even in Advanced Warfare which did have a smaller amount of players the dlc didn't make a difference.

 

The only thing that might impact, and i believe Zennon said this in the past.. is that the dedicated tryhards might have more of the maps than the casuals who are lesser skilled.  In that case not having maps would seem better.. not because of quality of connection but noobness of the enemy player.

I'am all for variety, don't get me wrong on this

But as long as you pay for it, you should be allowed to turn it off, disable it..  And of course there's more try-hards in DLC looby's .. and i don't minde that either:  

But not be able to play with the majorities means bigger potential of your game being ruin, and agin you bought it, you should be able to decide that for your self.

 

And you say you can play a cross sea without connection problems ? I don't buy that for a second. The ping from you to the server and from the server to the other players and back to you, will be way over 100 ms ++ The lag-comp in the game needs to work overtime trying to compensate for that. 

 

But you can be the player that makes me leave a loby before the game even start. Not because your good, but because I need to empty half a clip to kill you. 

And even tough i usually will have better KD than you, you will most certainly affect my over all game do to the time wasted on winning a gunfight with you.

 

Not to imply your a bad player..  But most person I know that feels BO3 runs great, plays on TV's without game mode enable an usually have a KD between 0,55-1,10 and global 

score point of 190-270 ..

[Urge]

I'am all for variety, don't get me wrong on this

But as long as you pay for it, you should be allowed to turn it off, disable it..  And of course there's more try-hards in DLC looby's .. and i don't minde that either:  

But not be able to play with the majorities means bigger potential of your game being ruin, and agin you bought it, you should be able to decide that for your self.

 

And you say you can play a cross sea without connection problems ? I don't buy that for a second. The ping from you to the server and from the server to the other players and back to you, will be way over 100 ms ++ The lag-comp in the game needs to work overtime trying to compensate for that. 

 

But you can be the player that makes me leave a loby before the game even start. Not because your good, but because I need to empty half a clip to kill you. 

And even tough i usually will have better KD than you, you will most certainly affect my over all game do to the time wasted on winning a gunfight with you.

 

Not to imply your a bad player..  But most person I know that feels BO3 runs great, plays on TV's without game mode enable an usually have a KD between 0,55-1,10 and global 

score point of 190-270 ..

 

I don't disagree... the one thing they should allow you to do is to turn the packs on or off if you want to play them that day or not.  I believe MW2 did that if i remember correctly and that was nice.

 

But yeah, your assumptions of me are wrong.  I run a high k/d and score per minute; and whether you believe it or not can play just as well on the Europe servers as i do a dedi that i ping 15 ms seconds too.  My UK buds who are also on this site have played on my American server with no issue as well and they run slightly higher numbers than i do.  Everyone has issues at times with emptying bullets into people and that's just the game.  But don't accuse me of ruining your lobbies.  If someone rages out, they just couldn't handle the death - plain and simple.

 

Not implying your a rage quiter, but most people that i know that rage out didn't because of connection, but because any excuse is better than admitting they lost a gun fight.

[UK_Wildcats_Fans]

I also agree that the BO3 match making logic is terrible.   BO3 should match you with the best players for the connection regardless of which map packs that you have.   There are times it takes a while find games.   We then have a player without the DLC join the party and we find constant games.

[Urge]

I also agree that the BO3 match making logic is terrible.   BO3 should match you with the best players for the connection regardless of which map packs that you have.   There are times it takes a while find games.   We then have a player without the DLC join the party and we find constant games.

 

That really would be best, but it does have one problem with that system.  What then if you didn't have the maps but that map was picked in rotation... you'd be kicked out of the lobby.  After getting kicked multiple times that would seem a bit annoying.  Personally i prefer it the way it is between the two options.  What would you prefer between those two?

 

I do think the whole system needs an overhaul to be fair with the player base at later stages though.  As Tork said being able to turn off or on the maps would work.  Or as with StarWars battelfront you either buy the season pass to get all of the DLC or you get none of it.  There is no splitting dlc 4 ways.  That would be much better for those that did or didn't have it, and had issues with that.   Halo probably does it best.  Free DLC and everyone gets it; doubt Activision would ever do a thing like that though.. but one can dream.

[UK_Wildcats_Fans]

I believe that it should match you against players with the best connections and only allow maps that all players have.   BO3 should also have match making options.  For example, you have the option for best connection (regardless of map) or to allow DLC maps in the rotation or not.  If you choose the DLC maps option, it will ONLY match you with other players with the same DLC maps.

[Torkild]

Imo opinion ,match all player together. Maby that's motivates other to buy the dlc also;) cod4 was like this if I don't remember wrong..

Next best and more political correct would bee that you are given the option to disable dlc or choose to search for game wit ore without:)

 

And I don't rage quit .. If the connection works and the other team get score streaks they should enjoy it:) but I don't run kill streak that much my self do to the fact it makes people rage quit.. Uav, power core and hater gives the whole team a boost and you see far less rage outs:D

[UK_Wildcats_Fans]

Imo opinion ,match all player together. Maby that's motivates other to buy the dlc also;) cod4 was like this if I don't remember wrong..

Next best and more political correct would bee that you are given the option to disable dlc or choose to search for game wit ore without:)

 

And I don't rage quit .. If the connection works and the other team get score streaks they should enjoy it:) but I don't run kill streak that much my self do to the fact it makes people rage quit.. Uav, power core and hater gives the whole team a boost and you see far less rage outs:D

 

I always run with a party of great players, and we don't run certain streaks (i.e. raps, mothership) because they rage quit too quickly.  We typically run 1) UAV, 2) CUAV, hellstorm, lightning strike, tallon, wraith and 3) HATR.  Once one person gets a HATR others will shortly follow.  Most will not run the wraith because there is often not enough time to call them in with everyone getting them. 

[Torkild]

Nice, I am a lone wolf, but the round I just finished ,man do I wish I had som other to play with.. I finished first with 41-4 next best on my team had 14 killed. The other team won! (tdm ) he he he..

[fuzzy clam]

So how are the maps playing for you guys ?