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Did some more testing today, as stated I think for whatever reason my congestion control settings aren't registering all the time I guess? I have speed test bypass off and have my congestion control set at always. The first test I had my download at 100% and my upload at 68%, and you can see the results are excellent, and also the speeds represent the numbers I'd expect to get with those CC settings. Pretty much every other test I did couldn't replicate the results, and weirdly I was getting pretty much my full speeds as well for whatever reason. The 2nd and 3rd screenshots are with my congestion control settings at literally 50% for both upload and download yet on both waveform and speedtest.net I'm basically getting 100% of my speeds. 

@Netduma Fraser Any idea what may be the cause? On a side note, something I found interesting as well is that the router is all of the sudden capable of getting close to my 940/940 mbps speeds offered by my ISP. Previously, the max I'd get even with congestion control off was something in the 600's to low 700s. Seems like all of the sudden the throughput improved for no reason? Very strange

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7 minutes ago, canuckftc12W said:

Did some more testing today, as stated I think for whatever reason my congestion control settings aren't registering all the time I guess? I have speed test bypass off and have my congestion control set at always. The first test I had my download at 100% and my upload at 68%, and you can see the results are excellent, and also the speeds represent the numbers I'd expect to get with those CC settings. Pretty much every other test I did couldn't replicate the results, and weirdly I was getting pretty much my full speeds as well for whatever reason. The 2nd and 3rd screenshots are with my congestion control settings at literally 50% for both upload and download yet on both waveform and speedtest.net I'm basically getting 100% of my speeds. 

@Netduma Fraser Any idea what may be the cause? On a side note, something I found interesting as well is that the router is all of the sudden capable of getting close to my 940/940 mbps speeds offered by my ISP. Previously, the max I'd get even with congestion control off was something in the 600's to low 700s. Seems like all of the sudden the throughput improved for no reason? Very strange

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looks like 800dwn and 620 up could be a good cc setting but seems like u don't relay need it tbh i don't think many things will use up your bandwidth

try 848 dwn an up see what that turns out

 

 

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22 hours ago, Dean.L said:

looks like 800dwn and 620 up could be a good cc setting but seems like u don't relay need it tbh i don't think many things will use up your bandwidth

try 848 dwn an up see what that turns out

 

 

That's what I thought initially when I changed to the gigabit fibre plan but I guess not. To be fair I do have 3 other people in the household and have a decent amount of devices connected, still not enough to cause this many network issues. 

I was taking a look and noticed one of my CPU cores consistently being at like 90 - 97% usage which I'm thinking could be a reason for the inconsistent results, 2 other cores also sometimes get into the high 90s as well at the same time. I'm optimistic though, router has shows that it can be capable of strong results, just need some fixes through firmware updates so that I can actually use the thing.

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On 1/22/2024 at 2:21 PM, Dean.L said:

ive done 10 test and they all seem fine maybe it your isp or the way u set up your CC the last few pic is how mine is set up i ran the ping optmizer and took the lowest ping % and just set it in CC also i ran the speed test and stuck to what it gave me on an average ended up being 848 dwn and what ever it was on ups

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4.0.41 seems to of made my results worse

a lot higher jitter and the max numbers are insane like what i had with the xr500 test results

dosnt seem to of fixed anythink at this point in time

anyidears why this is happening

 

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17 hours ago, Dean.L said:

4.0.41 seems to of made my results worse

a lot higher jitter and the max numbers are insane like what i had with the xr500 test results

dosnt seem to of fixed anythink at this point in time

anyidears why this is happening

Did you do a factory reset after the upgrade? I think it would run better after doing one

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5 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said:

Did you do a factory reset after the upgrade? I think it would run better after doing one

no but once i got back and reset it

had to fine tune it

62.5% dwn\up made the diffrence then most its been nothing but a blessing

 

 

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Any suggestions on what to do when CC has virtually no impact? I have a bad bufferbloat score and it doesnt improve when adjusting CC. Here are two examples, one at 100% the other at 70%. I'm hardwired the best score I have got was a B on the last firmware, the new firmware I can only get a C. 

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12 minutes ago, Rmz4104 said:

Any suggestions on what to do when CC has virtually no impact? I have a bad bufferbloat score and it doesnt improve when adjusting CC. Here are two examples, one at 100% the other at 70%. I'm hardwired the best score I have got was a B on the last firmware, the new firmware I can only get a C. 

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them setting and the 62.5 up and down

and use always on Congestion Control Mode

u could always do a ping optmizer 3 times see what %its consistent with and then put that speed in the speed test and then - 10% at a time see what your best (Lowest) BB is

and every 3 or so tests clear ur web cach

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1 hour ago, Rmz4104 said:

Any suggestions on what to do when CC has virtually no impact? I have a bad bufferbloat score and it doesnt improve when adjusting CC. Here are two examples, one at 100% the other at 70%. I'm hardwired the best score I have got was a B on the last firmware, the new firmware I can only get a C. 

100%

70%

You'll have to adjust a bit more, 100% does nothing, 70% is the recommended starting point but won't necessarily work the best for everyone

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37 minutes ago, Rmz4104 said:

Ive ran the optimizer 3 times, all 3 recommended 93% up and down. Here is the test at 93%.

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I had to turn off the WAN and LAN IPv6 to get my jitter and max latency stable. 

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My Ps5 never connects, and no servers show up on the geo filter. The Geo filter was working before the new firmware. I will have to find out how to disable the priorities in smartboost.

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44 minutes ago, Rmz4104 said:

My Ps5 never connects, and no servers show up on the geo filter. The Geo filter was working before the new firmware. I will have to find out how to disable the priorities in smartboost.

Try this:

  1. Quit the application/game/client completely
  2. Remove device from the Geo-Filter
  3. Resync from the Geo-Filter Map menu
  4. Re-add the device to the Geo-Filter
  5. Set up the Geo-Filter how you like
  6. Wait 2 minutes
  7. Boot up application/game/client

Then see if it works better.

Just unstar the ones that are added on SmartBOOST.

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Glad to hear that is working. Experiment manually with Congestion Control rather than allowing Ping Optimizer to decide for you and see if you can get the results down more

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My set up or something must be incorrect. My PS5 shows up under device manager but only connects in the Geo filter while in an online game or searching for one. How does smartboost work with a gaming priority but the router says that I'm never gaming? Could this be why the CC doesnt impact the bufferbloat? Sorry for all the questions, I'm a newbie. 

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28 minutes ago, Rmz4104 said:

My set up or something must be incorrect. My PS5 shows up under device manager but only connects in the Geo filter while in an online game or searching for one. How does smartboost work with a gaming priority but the router says that I'm never gaming? Could this be why the CC doesnt impact the bufferbloat? Sorry for all the questions, I'm a newbie. 

On the Geo, you will only see servers when searching or in a game so that is normal. The gaming on the dashboard we just need to improve that, it doesn't mean it isn't working. The bufferbloat test doesn't relate to how you have gaming set up, you just need to fine tune Congestion Control to sort that.

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On 1/16/2024 at 9:31 PM, Spazz said:

I was reading through and decided to not make a post just echoing others. Didn't mean to hijack this one. I have lowered speeds, poor wifi performance, custom GEO (same one I use on the XR1000) allowing servers outside of my designated area, terrible latency variance, speed test and ping optimizer aren't working, speedboost works sporadically and sometimes drops other connections on random devices in the house when it senses game traffic, moderate NAT, high CPU usage, and steady ping had to be disabled for my geofilter to work properly. 

I'm a tinkerer at heart so I've already done multiple factory resets, split wifi networks, tested wifi channels individually, congestion on with multiple settings, congestion completely off, speed boost with manually configured settings, speedboost with auto config, speedboost off, steady ping with a ping 10ms higher than my typical ping to my nearest server, uPnP on, uPnP off with ports forwarded, IPV6 on, IPV6 off, changing DNS to Google servers, changing router IP to 10.0.0.1, etc. Turned off everything that's not in my XR1000 config and set it up exactly like my XR1000 and it just didnt work well at all. I spent 5hrs tinkering yesterday to no avail. I was never able to get the big 3. Consistent speeds, consistent ping, and strong wifi performance all at the same time. CM1000 router with 500d/20u from Spectrum. Swapped back over to the XR1000 last night and everything is back to how I'm used to. 

I'm holding out for the next FW update with high hopes. On .23 now but it's in the box til the next update is available. Caused too much grief in my home to reconnect and get logs and such. If I had set up remote I'd just SSH into it to prevent having to disconnect from my internet since I dont have a 2nd PC/laptop or 2nd NIC to prevent that. 

Yea kinda in the same position, have the xr1000 and feel kinda a little disappointed with the R3. I expected it to be worse than the xr1000 because its price is $150 cheaper, so I'm assuming it's hardware isnt as good as the xr1000. I also understand that they want to make it affordable just wish they came out with a r3 pro or something too. I got it because I was curious about the steady ping because it seemed like a great feature but it just raises my ping and the jitter is literally the same. I have fiber so my jitter is already super low always fluctuating around 1 or 2(on valorant jitter graph), so I expected it to literally be a straight line of no jitter if its adding 5-10ms on top of my ping. Am I wrong for assuming that's how steady ping should perform @Netduma Fraser?

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57 minutes ago, Davidt828 said:

Yea kinda in the same position, have the xr1000 and feel kinda a little disappointed with the R3. I expected it to be worse than the xr1000 because its price is $150 cheaper, so I'm assuming it's hardware isnt as good as the xr1000. I also understand that they want to make it affordable just wish they came out with a r3 pro or something too. I got it because I was curious about the steady ping because it seemed like a great feature but it just raises my ping and the jitter is literally the same. I have fiber so my jitter is already super low always fluctuating around 1 or 2(on valorant jitter graph), so I expected it to literally be a straight line of no jitter if its adding 5-10ms on top of my ping. Am I wrong for assuming that's how steady ping should perform @Netduma Fraser?

It doesn't prevent jitter, it raises the ping to absorb it so that you have a consistent ping throughout the match, do you see that? 

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