Harley

Often people who don't know software testing inside out don't grasp that you can't just change a line of code, test it and then release the product. I remember a one line bug that was fixed but an intel development team. It was an easy fix. They tested the change but ignored the "golden rule" in the book of software testing and released the product. The change they made had a knock on effect and caused a fatal bug in a completely separate piece of code. It was hundreds to one against, but it happened. The worst part was that it only became apparent months later after it had caused millions of dollars of damage to projects all over the world. intel's reputation was badly damaged, the product destroyed. intel sacked the entire development team. The golden rule is - when a product is tested, don't just test what you think you need to test - test it all! That's why it's so slow to test even a simple change. And it's best to save a number of fixes up to justify the time spent testing. All in all, it just takes far more time than you would think.

I am not sure why people keep talking about base ping. I know what base ping is and I have never thought for an instant that any router can change that. People are either bothered by data collection or they aren't. I am one of the people who is. I just think that it's unnecessary and intrusive. I might add it would help if companies data policies were clearer. For example if I was told that Duma was about to send information about applications to a central database to identify an app so it could decide whether it was a game or not, then that would be fine, but so often companies are not clear on what they send and what they do with the data (I am not saying DumaOS does that, lol, it was just an example). Yep. I just think that in the world of gaming bling counts a lot and Duma could do with a coat of paint. That's not just a criticism of Duma, I might add, the recent crop of routers are mostly very cheap looking. Even routers that are outrageously priced. Just plain plastic with nothing blingy about them at all! I have my backup XR700 and that looks so much better than the XR1000. Amazing what a coat of paint will do.

I know what he meant but I does anyone claim to reduce ping on an empty network? ( that really is a question ) Or is it just people assume that's what it will do? I have seen this a lot with network products. Remember Killer? Actually that was a really good system but like so many things it won't solve a problem if your local network doesn't have a problem. But people who don't have a problem buy in to it then slate it because it "doesn't work" !! It's like Gaming VPN's. Won't get you any closer to the server, but it may find a better route. Accent is on the "may". But people didn't realise it was "may" and slated the product when it didn't work for them. I think gaming routers definitely have a purpose, just if people randomly think it will make things better when they haven't worked out what the problem is then they are likely to be disappointed. Anyway, back to bling, no, I don't like the design either, it's a horrible looking router ( I actually bought one and sent it back it was so rubbish ). It has interesting performance but I really didn't like the involvement of Trend and the horrible looks. The router can send your kids emails to Trend for analysis. I mean, come on, there has to be some privacy, especially for children.

Perfect example here - OK it's a bit Japanese (doh-bots), but you get the idea. This thing sells for a massive £150 more than the standard router.

There is one already. The XR700 can use a 10Gb SFP+ RJ45, and it can be switched in the configuration to be the WAN port. Also some of the new Asus hardware supports faster WAN. Course they don't have DumaOS. I must confess though I would like to see DumaOS on some top end routers.

It's firefox. No idea why, but using a different browser it responds immediately. No idea why the icon has gone though ( guessing this is an 11 bug ).

Hello! No it did not respond using a browser initially. It eventually did respond but only after about five attempts. It was almost as if it was just slow and most of the time the browser/windows is timing out waiting for the response. For some unknown reason it is very slow when you use the address name but if you just type in 192.168.1.1 it responds immediately. It is still in that state if you would like me to try something. And no, no recent changes. I suspect the disappearing icon also has something to do with the slow response?

Sometimes I click the icon in Win 11 file manager, under Network Infrastructure, to access the XR1000 web page. But today it didn't work. I noticed that Windows was trying to access https://www.routerlogin.net/ Is that correct? Is that what it always accesses? Why is it not working now? Is there a way to change that address to get it to work again? Also, I notice that the XR1000 had a nice icon but that's disappeared.

You are a network engineer so you have a very good understanding of the inner workings of a router. But the average person does not, and doesn't want to spend the time messing about. They want a plug in solution that is easy to understand. Don't forget that many people are simply not technically minded and no matter how many books you give them they simply will not grasp the fundamentals. A gaming router is an out of the box solution that gives them what they want. I mean, honestly, don't you think it's a bit crazy to expect people to "read up" on networking to configure their router? I am really puzzled by your comment that ping can't be reduced. I guess you never read about Adaptive QOS at college then! I mean this is a fundamental for gaming in a modern (busy) home network, yet it is something you certainly do not find in every router. It's called Buffer Bloat or Congestion Control in the DumaOS routers. Thing is about Adaptive QOS is the router MUST recognise the high priority traffic and a DumaOS router will thanks to the list of games it recognises. That's what makes it a gaming router and it's also why a Cisco router is not. I have hundreds of games. It is far more valuable to me that my router recognises all of these games "off the shelf" rather than having to "teach" a Cisco router how. In my case my latency was 2ms to my ISP. That collapsed to 200ms when the connection was seriously busy. I might add that it was the XR1000 and DumaOS that told me about that problem. I think you will know that's useless for gaming. I ticked ONE TICK BOX on the XR1000 DumaOS router and it dropped to 12ms. THAT is what I want. No books. No fumbling. Five seconds and a huge improvement in performance. The key thing in that process was that DumaOS recognised I was gaming without me having to do anything - a Cisco Router will not do that. It doesn't stop there, either, there are features in DumaOS that simply are not in a Cisco router. Finally, I like a product to look like a home product, not something that fell out the back of a data center with a plate of spaghetti hanging out the front. If you like that look, then fine, buy that look, but please don't criticise my choices! And certainly do not imply that my choices indicate a lack of gaming skill. That's just cheap, elitist nonsense.

Hence force you shall be known as DOOM! NetDoomer Fraser. Yep I think it would be good to have optional plug in aerials, lol. But the upright concept seems to be one that is gaining popularity. I guess it all comes down to where people put them, but the smaller footprint seems to appeal to many.

I'd like to see vertical routers. Can you imagine it? You could make them all sci-fi, like a neon building. I mean the idea of course comes from the Alien. Not a product I would actually buy, but if DumaOS was in it it would be a different story. But their design is BORING compared to what I would do, lol. You could even build the router in to various sculptures of characters. Awesome!

SATAN BE GONE! *burns your forehead with my silver cross* May God strike down this foul purveyor of bling-blasphemy!

I was considering this again yesterday. I had a chance to test out an ASUS ROG Rapture GT-AX6000. What a miserable looking thing it is. Unpainted plastic with the looks and style of a household brick. I mean seriously. And yet it is a really expensive router. The XR700 beats it hands down. Plenty of informative LEDs, a nice metallic painted finish. Good looks a go faster red stripe! Even the XR1000, which is pretty good, can't compete with the older routers. Why is it routers are just getting cheaper and cheaper looking?

OMG more bling please! Have you noticed the way routers are getting more and more cheap looking while computers are getting more and more arty? Even some seriously expensive routers latest gen just look so cheap. More LEDs and more decent painted finishes! Yes, I know, this isn't the operating system, but really, you are underselling your product. We want bling!

I just checked QOS on mine and it seems to be working fine. The thing I would check is are you sure the router is detecting the game? Look for the "LEDs" in the user interface lighting up to see if it is detecting high priority traffic.

I agree with that. Just to counter some of the negative posts, I have had an XR1000 now for about six months and have yet only encountered minor issues. I am sure that forums like this one are hounded by people who have specific application problems but those people are in very small numbers.

I have made a new post about this with some screenshots and additional problems ( hence why I started a new thread ).

Ah it's OK, it was confused. I rebooted it and it sorted it out. That is something I find with these routers, the network map can go a little crazy.

Two IPv4. It was strange. It had two devices online. One had the ip 192.168.1.12, 192.168.1.13 and the second device was 192.168.1.12 There was also one PC that didn't show up at all. In the end I rebooted the PC and the problem seems to have gone. I wonder though, should there be some sort of reboot or rest button on the map?

to make matters worse, one of the IP addresses is that of a different PC. I don't understand how that could happen

Mind you, with BT shutting down all the exchanges in the very near future, there is bound to be larger demand for voip. Not just with Zen, but all of them.

Apparently no other router works with Zen "Digital Voice" so it would be a real boost if Netduma did!

Well no because the support staff were really unhappy that people could not use their own routers. They indicated to me that they get a lot of complaints about it.

One thing I would worry about though is that I spent all day talking to Zen support ( and as far as support is concerned they are good ) and to other forums, and not once did anyone suggest using both routers.

I prefer that too. No point in making things too complicated!