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ANNOUNCEMENT: The Future of DumaOS: Version 3.0

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On 10/4/2019 at 8:24 AM, Killhippie said:

Sadly that's something I may not be able to do any more. With no guarantees as to updates for releases in the future, let alone no DumaOS updates for months to come and no promise of XR compatibility (because of company NDA's)  let alone no guarantees this wont happen again, its time to find another router as my daily driver instead of the XR500 I think. Just imagine if Microsoft/Apple/Google etc released a new operating system then left it for over a year with no updates for bugs until the next version and then no guarantees your hardware would get it. Its almost back to front in my view. Companies patch so that if there is no new OS for your hardware you have the best version you can have on the hardware you own and to just fix bugs too as a matter of course. The whole create a new version of DumaOS instead of patching the old one will always be my sticking point. :( 

I would say the refinements will fix most of the issues, whether or not Netgear decide to take on all of the features but lets face it - why wouldn't they?!  So although it's the longer method of patching bugs it should be more sustainable in the future and produce less bugs hopefully. Totally understand if you're too fedup by it, that why we brought out the insider program to try and be more transparent with what we're up to.

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8 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said:

I would say the refinements will fix most of the issues, whether or not Netgear decide to take on all of the features but lets face it - why wouldn't they?!  So although it's the longer method of patching bugs it should be more sustainable in the future and produce less bugs hopefully. Totally understand if you're too fedup by it, that why we brought out the insider program to try and be more transparent with what we're up to.

What do you mean by “why would they”? Do they not need the update or something?

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18 minutes ago, CrossFitKila717 said:

What do you mean by “why would they”? Do they not need the update or something?

I mean why wouldn't they want the features when they're great features. I'm just saying I'm sure they would want them.

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Super excited for some of the things in the works. You guys have come such a long way, it’s been a pleasure helping out!

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33 minutes ago, MikeTHIS said:

Super excited for some of the things in the works. You guys have come such a long way, it’s been a pleasure helping out!

The best is yet to come!

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On 10/5/2019 at 1:28 PM, Netduma Fraser said:

I would say the refinements will fix most of the issues, whether or not Netgear decide to take on all of the features but lets face it - why wouldn't they?!  So although it's the longer method of patching bugs it should be more sustainable in the future and produce less bugs hopefully. Totally understand if you're too fedup by it, that why we brought out the insider program to try and be more transparent with what we're up to.

I appreciate the more transparent side of things here now, Fraser. I still think your devs have patching backwards, I know of no other company that releases new operating systems without patches for their software in between major releases. Its just seems to me a retrograde way of doing things. Apple have just released macOS Catalina and its buggy, now imagine if no point releases came until next year with macOS 10.16 Users would go mad and Apple would never sell another computer probably, same for iOS, Android, Windows, Linux etc.  That is just not how you do things in my view and no matter what the new version hopes and expectations are it will have bugs, you cant make bug free software, its impossible.

 I'm just hoping DumaOS 4.0 or another incarnation of DumaOS wont be the fix for DumaOS 3.0's bugs.  Until I can see a point release path rather than 8-12 month gaps between updates to fix issues with DumaOS software pushed to Netgear hardware, I've had to remove the XR500 as my daily driver for now and box it up. I'm aware this may not be all your fault believe me, and I know you guys work really hard and I will continue to help where I can, but the XR development cycle in my view is unacceptable as it stands. I look forward though to seeing what your plans are with DumaOS nevertheless. Right time for more more coffee ;) 

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5 hours ago, migueltaveras6 said:

Will it fix my bufferbloat? Cause man I'm so close in returning this real quick!

I've replied to you in this thread: 

 

2 hours ago, Killhippie said:

I appreciate the more transparent side of things here now, Fraser. I still think your devs have patching backwards, I know of no other company that releases new operating systems without patches for their software in between major releases. Its just seems to me a retrograde way of doing things. Apple have just released macOS Catalina and its buggy, now imagine if no point releases came until next year with macOS 10.16 Users would go mad and Apple would never sell another computer probably, same for iOS, Android, Windows, Linux etc.  That is just not how you do things in my view and no matter what the new version hopes and expectations are it will have bugs, you cant make bug free software, its impossible.

 I'm just hoping DumaOS 4.0 or another incarnation of DumaOS wont be the fix for DumaOS 3.0's bugs.  Until I can see a point release path rather than 8-12 month gaps between updates to fix issues with DumaOS software pushed toon Netgear hardware, I've had to remove the XR500 as my daily driver for now and box it up. I'm aware this may not be all your fault believe me, and I know you guys work really hard and I will continue to help where I can, but the XR development cycle in my view is unacceptable as it stands. I look forward though to seeing what your plans are with DumaOS nevertheless. Right time for more more coffee ;) 

That IS the plan, the reason we've not been so good at bug patching so far is because we've not had the staff. We've got enough people now that we can have one group working on features and one group working on fixes. Once 3.0 is out, the pressure for features is off, and the pressure for fixes is on.

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3 hours ago, Netduma Alex said:

I've replied to you in this thread: 

 

That IS the plan, the reason we've not been so good at bug patching so far is because we've not had the staff. We've got enough people now that we can have one group working on features and one group working on fixes. Once 3.0 is out, the pressure for features is off, and the pressure for fixes is on.

So why couldn't you just patch Milestone 1.3 then, if you have not got enough staff you fix what you have already made surely before starting a new project? Anyway I wish you luck with it and look forward to seeing what's coming.  :)

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23 hours ago, migueltaveras6 said:

Will it fix my bufferbloat? Cause man I'm so close in returning this real quick!

Sorry to say but there's only so much a router can do with the network it's given dude. How have you got your Congestion Control setup? Your net may need to be reduced more than the recommended 70%. Do you have Traffic Prioritising enabled? If so, is your Duma router detecting that you're playing a game and automatically activating Traffic Prioritising whilst playing? 

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18 hours ago, Netduma Alex said:

I've replied to you in this thread: 

 

That IS the plan, the reason we've not been so good at bug patching so far is because we've not had the staff. We've got enough people now that we can have one group working on features and one group working on fixes. Once 3.0 is out, the pressure for features is off, and the pressure for fixes is on.

People need to remember that in terms of a company you're still very new, so you're not going to have 100's/1000's of staff to bug fix etc. TBH I've never dealt with an IT company or any company that consistently replies to forum messages as fast as you Duma lads do. I tip my hat to you! :)

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4 hours ago, SwiftCookie said:

People need to remember that in terms of a company you're still very new, so you're not going to have 100's/1000's of staff to bug fix etc. TBH I've never dealt with an IT company or any company that consistently replies to forum messages as fast as you Duma lads do. I tip my hat to you! :)

Thanks! Fraser and I try very hard to keep the community happy. Sometimes it's hard as we're often limited in what we can say, but if the community speaks we let the devs know. Bug reports and suggestions are not falling on deaf ears.

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