Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hello guys, I updated to latest firmware yesterday excited to try out VPN as originally it was one of my reasons for choosing this router. I was messing around with Hybrid VPN for a while yesterday and I want to make sure my understanding and use of it is correct. If it is correct I am probably going to get a refund for VPN account I just purchased as experience feels lackluster. After getting the VPN account (ExpressVPN) I input the details into the advanced section and it connected. At this point I had assumed everything on my network would be under the VPN. To my surprise nothing was. It took me a while to realize I apparently have to add every device manually on the right side. IMO the way it looked was the right side was to choose devices NOT TO VPN. Is this correct everything needs be added manually or is there a way to have it like I thought it was going to work. I am not sure how many devices most people have connected but my Network map is almost unreadable due to how many devices I have so I feel would be easy to miss adding one to list.. In order to test the VPN, I added a few of my most used devices. Right off the bat, 20 Mbps seems really slow. Can this be improved in a future update? I read this is hardware limited in another thread? I get 120Mbps and on my PC if using the desktop app instead of Hybrid VPN I easily get 80-90Mbps which would be reasonable. I was downloading a file on my phone yesterday and found myself frustrated with the speed and logging in and turning off VPN anytime I want to download a large file seems like a hassle. Another thing I am not sure I set up correctly. Before ever using the VPN I had set up my router to use Cloudflare DNS and if I do a DNS leak test with VPN on it still shows all the Cloudfare stuff and that it is leaking. Is it actually leaking or is due to me using the DNS setting like that. I had assumed VPN would override it? Let me know if that is not true and if some settings need to be modified? I know this is mostly I guess a negative post but besides the VPN my experience with the router has been otherwise great. Love most of the other features. Due to mostly loving it is why I would cancel the VPN before swapping to a different router. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hey, welcome to the forum! The problem with most VPN clients on routers is that they apply to every single device without the customisation there available enabling you to choose which devices are VPN'd which can lead to slower devices, lag etc let alone individual services on those devices. The idea of Hybrid VPN is it gives you that flexibility to choose. You're correct in that it doesn't blanket VPN every device on the network. This was the same on our previous firmware. Adding devices on the right you can decide either which devices are VPN'd completely or go even further and VPN specific services on a device which gives you a great deal of power/control. It has been requested before that we add the ability to VPN all devices so this will likely come later on. You're correct in that it is mostly a hardware limitation on the speed so unsure if we can raise this in any future updates though we will of course look into the possibility. Were you doing this test on a device you added to the VPN? Which service did you apply to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi Fraser, Yes, I did the test on my desktop which was added to the list. I used the expressVPN test on their website. Tried some other ones as well all with about same result. hmm as far as the limitation to the speed I will have to be very selective about which devices I VPN I guess. Thanks for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Did you have it added with Do Not VPN these services or Only VPN these services when you did the DNS test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 It is on DO NOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Okay that's good. What's your physical setup? Is it a router or a modem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 I use a MOTOROLA MG7540 plugged into the XR500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Do you have it in modem mode is it still in router mode? If in router mode that could be why you're experiencing a DNS leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 oops posted the wrong model. Motorola MB8600 is what I have. It is only a modem. That other was something I bought for a friend apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Does the modem have an interface that you can access and disable any settings like DNS that may be affecting the routers ability to control the network fully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 It has a very simple interface and you can change nothing except login details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Disable DNS Override, i.e. the Cloudflare DNS you input, connect to VPN again and do the test, do you see a leak then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 yes only difference at that point is just the leak test list the provider as my ISP IP addresses instead of cloudfare IP address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2019 Are you connecting the VPN via UDP by any chance? If so use TCP, does that resolve it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Netduma Fraser said: Are you connecting the VPN via UDP by any chance? If so use TCP, does that resolve it? Could you please tell me how to change that or check which I'm using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Netduma Staff Netduma Jack Posted January 24, 2019 Netduma Staff Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Wolfie said: Could you please tell me how to change that or check which I'm using? On the Hybrid VPN page under 'Information' on the 'VPN Setup' panel, you'll see a line called 'Protocol'. That will say if you're using TCP or UDP. You can change this when you go to VPN Setup on the first page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Netduma Jack said: On the Hybrid VPN page under 'Information' on the 'VPN Setup' panel, you'll see a line called 'Protocol'. That will say if you're using TCP or UDP. You can change this when you go to VPN Setup on the first page. It appears to say TCP. Correct me if wrong here, but assumed the basic section was only for options related to purevpn and HMA and that none of those boxes would affect me using advanced anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 24, 2019 Within the config you used does it mention TCP or UDP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Within the config you used does it mention TCP or UDP? Nope it mentions TLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 24, 2019 Could you post the config here for us to take a look at please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 dev tun fast-io persist-key persist-tun nobind remote usa-dallas-ca-version-2.expressnetw.com 1195 remote-random pull comp-lzo no tls-client verify-x509-name Server name-prefix ns-cert-type server key-direction 1 route-method exe route-delay 2 tun-mtu 1500 fragment 1300 mssfix 1450 verb 3 cipher AES-256-CBC keysize 256 auth SHA512 sndbuf 524288 rcvbuf 524288 auth-user-pass Here is the top part the rest of it is just all the begin certificate etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 24, 2019 Thank you, I've found that by default they use UDP, could you try TCP please. This page should be helpful, I can't access the configs as I don't have an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Was there suppose to be a link in your post? EDIt: expressvpn support said they do not have a TCP config file Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Netduma Fraser Posted January 24, 2019 Administrators Share Posted January 24, 2019 Sorry about that! https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/tcp-vpn-servers/ Well that's strange because that link says they have TCP servers, could you ask them about that link then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Netduma Fraser said: Sorry about that! https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/tcp-vpn-servers/ Well that's strange because that link says they have TCP servers, could you ask them about that link then? Meh I don't know lol. Guess I will just have to hope Cloudfare is a trusty DNS lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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