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Someone I know is interested in basic networking and wanted to know why I suggested never gaming over WiFi if he was trying to take FPS seriously. I went on to talk about the instability, interference, packet loss etc, but I thought it would be even better to show him side by side comparisons of ping results when wired and then over a congested WiFi channel.

 

I switched to WiFi, ran a brief command prompt ping while uploading a 1080p video and was getting around 110ms jitter. Thought that was actually pretty low considering speed tests normally give me 300ms~ bloat on upstream without using the R1's congestion control but whatever. The idea was to then go into a game with 100% sliders while uploading said video, pinging the server on the geofilter and showing them what kind of impact it would have while gaming compared to playing on idle latency...

 

It didn't really go to plan. Here I am on a UK IW server, while uploading my video. The geofilter ping says I'm on a steady 8ms - admittedly the base latency is around a millisecond higher, but it didn't spike past 10ms once. What. That seems impossibly steady for WiFi, never mind while using the line so heavily. I have no congestion control applied, and nothing in hyper lane at all. In fact you can probably tell by my missing Temp Ban button that I don't have the hyper lane feature because I'm on old firmware (UPnP isn't forwarding 3074 again and I'm not dealing with geofilter + port forwarding GUI lag tbh). What's going on? Lol

 

Edit: even better. Top screenshot shows my BQM since swapping firmware then switching to WiFi and uploading. Admittedly I left IPv6 on by mistake so I corrected the monitor name to remind me, but it's still a mess... not a flat 8ms haha

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Maybe your connection is just that good IIIRL. Can I come to your house to play?

 

In all seriousness, I've not tested gaming on WiFi much myself so I couldn't really tell you why it's so stable. Maybe someone who's tested as much as you could give you their thoughts. Your WiFi connection is more stable than most wired connections I've ever seen, which is pretty shocking if the tests are accurate!

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Maybe your connection is just that good IIIRL. Can I come to your house to play?

 

In all seriousness, I've not tested gaming on WiFi much myself so I couldn't really tell you why it's so stable. Maybe someone who's tested as much as you could give you their thoughts. Your WiFi connection is more stable than most wired connections I've ever seen, which is pretty shocking if the tests are accurate!

LOL that surely can't be accurate right? Everything else was telling me it was really bloated. I kept bringing up the upload list every so often to check it was still in progress and it was ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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LOL that surely can't be accurate right? Everything else was telling me it was really bloated. I kept bringing up the upload list every so often to check it was still in progress and it was ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I honestly have no idea - wireless connections are generally unpredictable, maybe tomorrow it will give you a 100ms ping!

 

I'd investigate further, but it's a kinda' inverted issue since the results are massively positive. I'm not sure if this is a problem to solve or not, my mind is blown! Haha.

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Yeah I'll keep testing. Obviously seeing something stable isn't usually a problem in itself but this is just too good to be true considering what tests were telling me. There's no way my ping to server wasn't being affected by playing over WiFi, never mind while maxing out the upload on the same device at the same time lol

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Yeah I'll keep testing. Obviously seeing something stable isn't usually a problem in itself but this is just too good to be true considering what tests were telling me. There's no way my ping to server wasn't being affected by playing over WiFi, never mind while maxing out the upload on the same device at the same time lol

 

I look forward to seeing more tests - I'd give it the full Pingplotter treatment over WiFi while you're downloading, you will probably see a different story if you start testing deeply enough. What do you usually get over a wired connection? I know you've been very active in optimising your connection.

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I look forward to seeing more tests - I'd give it the full Pingplotter treatment over WiFi while you're downloading, you will probably see a different story if you start testing deeply enough. What do you usually get over a wired connection? I know you've been very active in optimising your connection.

I ran a brief PingPlotter to twitter and it was a mess over WiFi, stopped uploading, wired up, ran it again and it was flat as a pancake at 7.0ms. I'll need to try a longer test for sure though.

 

Wired geofilter pings are the same, low and flat. I just don't understand why this bufferbloat wasn't showing up because everything else said otherwise (disgusting triple digit latency) lol

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